Proving CA⁻¹B+D=0 to Demonstrate Rank(A)=Rank([A B])=n

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The discussion revolves around proving the equation CA⁻¹B + D = 0 to demonstrate that rank(A) = rank([A B]) = n, where A, B, C, and D are n x n matrices. The original poster attempts to establish a relationship between these matrices using properties of determinants and block matrices.

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  • Participants question the clarity of the notation used, particularly regarding the dimensions and relationships of the matrices involved. Some express confusion over the meaning of [A B] and its relation to the matrices C and D. Others raise concerns about the assumptions made regarding the nature of C and D, suggesting they may not be arbitrary.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and raising questions about the original poster's approach. Some suggest that focusing on determinants may not be the most effective method, while others express skepticism about the validity of the assumptions regarding the matrices.

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There is a lack of clarity regarding the definitions and roles of matrices C and D, as well as the notation used for the identity matrix. The original post's formatting has led to misunderstandings about the problem statement, which may affect the interpretation of the discussion.

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if A B C D are nxn matrices such that rank(A)=rank([A B])=n ([A B] : 2nx2n matrix)
[C D] [C D]

we want to show that D=CA‑¹B (A‑¹: inverse matrix of A)

this is what i have tried:
[In 0] [A B] = [A B ] (here, In refers to identity nxn matrix)
[-CA‑¹ In] [C D] [0 -CA‑¹B+D]

det( [In 0] [A B] ) = det ( [A B ] )
[-CA‑¹ In] [C D] [0 -CA‑¹B+D]

det( [In 0] ) det( [A B] ) = det ([A B ] )
[-CA‑¹ In] [C D] [0 -CA‑¹B+D]

by property of determinant of block matrix,

det(In)det(In)det( [A B] ) = det(A)det(CA‑¹B+D)
[C D]

since A is invertible and [A B] is not invertible, their determinents are not zero and zero respectively
[C D]

Thus, det(CA‑¹B+D)=0

If i can show that CA‑¹B+D=0, then my proof ends.
But i can't show this.

can anyone show that CA‑¹B+D=0?
 
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I don't understand the question. What do you mean by [A B] for example? You said that it's 2n×2n, but not how it's related to A and B. And if it's 2n×2n, then how are you multiplying it by an n×n matrix? ("In" is a very confusing notation by the way).
 
Fredrik said:
I don't understand the question. What do you mean by [A B] for example? You said that it's 2n×2n, but not how it's related to A and B. And if it's 2n×2n, then how are you multiplying it by an n×n matrix? ("In" is a very confusing notation by the way).
More questions. Maybe I am missing something. I assume that [A B] is just the nx2n matrix adjoining columns of A and B. But what does "[C D] [C D]" in line 2 say about C and D? And why are there other miscellaneous lines of "[C D]" scattered around? And I don't what "ln" means.
 
FactChecker said:
And I don't what "ln" means.
He explained that one. It's an I, not an l, and In is his notation for the n×n identity matrix.
 
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Ok i have rewritten my question since it looks very confusing
 

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FactChecker said:
More questions. Maybe I am missing something. I assume that [A B] is just the nx2n matrix adjoining columns of A and B. But what does "[C D] [C D]" in line 2 say about C and D? And why are there other miscellaneous lines of "[C D]" scattered around? And I don't what "ln" means.

I have rewritten my question
 

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Fredrik said:
He explained that one. It's an I, not an l, and In is his notation for the n×n identity matrix.
I have rewritten my question Fredrik!
 

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The calculation looks correct, but I don't understand why you're doing it. You still haven't stated the problem in a way that makes sense. In particular, you haven't said anything to indicate that C and D are anything but arbitrary n×n matrices.
 
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Fredrik said:
The calculation looks correct, but I don't understand why you're doing it. You still haven't stated the problem in a way that makes sense. In particular, you haven't said anything to indicate that C and D are anything but arbitrary n×n matrices.

I want to show that det(D-CA‑¹B )=0 implies D-CA‑¹B=0
But i don't know how. Or are there any other ways?
 
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But you haven't given any conditions on C and D. What if for example ##A=I## and ##B=0##? Then ##D-CA^{-1}B=D##. So you're trying to prove that the arbitrary(?) matrix D is zero.
 
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Fredrik said:
you haven't said anything to indicate that C and D are anything but arbitrary n×n matrices.
The statement that the rank of the full matrix \bigl(\begin{smallmatrix} A&B\\ C&D \end{smallmatrix}\bigr)is the same as the rank of A says something about C and D

P.S. Seems like it takes forever now for the LaTex to be interpreted. It did previews immediately, but it looks like the post will never be converted.
 
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FactChecker said:
The statement that the rank of the full matrix \bigl(\begin{smallmatrix} A&B\\ C&D \end{smallmatrix}\bigr)is the same as the rank of A says something about C and D
The statement in post #1 just says that A and [A B] both have rank n. I don't see a way to interpret the post as saying anything about C or D.
 
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Fredrik said:
The statement in post #1 just says that A and [A B] both have rank n. I don't see a way to interpret the post as saying anything about C or D.
Yes. You have to look at the PDF attachment in a later post to see the correctly formatted problem statement. In the original post, the [C D] was left justified and should have been the lower half of the [A B]. It should have been
\bigl(\begin{smallmatrix} A&B\\ C&D \end{smallmatrix}\bigr)
 
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FactChecker said:
Yes. You have to look at the PDF attachment in a later post to see the correctly formatted problem statement. In the original post, the [C D] was left justified and should have been the lower half of the [A B]. It should have been
\bigl(\begin{smallmatrix} A&B\\ C&D \end{smallmatrix}\bigr)
You mean the JPEG that was attached to three different posts? There's no problem statement in it. There's just a definition of [A B] and some calculations that may or may not be relevant to the problem. It's impossible to tell without a problem statement.

OK, I see now, by quoting post #1, that the OP intended [C D] to be the lower half and [A B] the upper half. So now the only problem is that I've done so much work trying to decode what he meant that I don't want to look at this problem anymore.
 
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FactChecker said:
The statement that the rank of the full matrix \bigl(\begin{smallmatrix} A&B\\ C&D \end{smallmatrix}\bigr)is the same as the rank of A says something about C and D

you've got any idea on solving the problem?
 
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jwqwerty said:
you've got any idea on solving the problem?
No. My gut feeling is that it is wrong. Saying that the determinant is 0 usually just means that a non-trivial set is mapped to zero. I don't see how to prove that everything is mapped to zero. I have my doubts.
 
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1) I think the concentrating on the determinants is a mistake. It looses too much information. Saying that a determinant is zero is not a strong enough statement to draw the conclusion. I think that the initial conditions imply that C, D, and B are transformations of A, where all the transformations are invertible. I think you should use that in your proof instead of determinants.

2) I also think that there is a sign error. If we define B, C and D as B = C = D = A, doesn't that satisfy the initial conditions? But then we would be trying to prove that CA‑¹B+D = 2A =0. That can't be right. Oh. I see that the original problem was to show that D = CA‑¹B. So that is CA‑¹B - D =0.
 

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