Proving commutator relation between H and raising operator

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The discussion revolves around proving the commutator relation between the Hamiltonian operator \( H \) and the raising operator \( a^{\dagger} \). Participants are examining the implications of their calculations and the order of operations in the context of quantum mechanics.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are attempting to prove the commutator relation \( [H, a^{\dagger}] = h \omega a^{\dagger} \) and are questioning why they are obtaining the commutator \( [a^{\dagger}, a] \) instead of \( [a, a^{\dagger}] \). There are discussions about the order of operations and the application of commutator rules.

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Some participants have identified potential errors in the steps taken during the proof, particularly regarding the order of operators and the handling of commutators. There is a hint provided to calculate the commutator using specific states, which may guide further exploration. One participant has reported resolving their issue, indicating some progress in understanding.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework guidelines, which may limit the extent of assistance they can receive. There is an emphasis on understanding the correct application of commutation relations and operator order.

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Homework Statement
Prove the commutator relation [H,a*]=hwa*
Relevant Equations
[H,a*]=hwa*
I am going through my class notes and trying to prove the middle commutator relation,
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I am ending up with a negative sign in my work. It comes from [a,a] being invoked during the commutation. I obviously need [a,a] to appear instead.

Why am I getting [a,a] instead of [a,a]?

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quittingthecult said:
Homework Statement:: Prove the commutator relation [H,a*]=hwa*
Relevant Equations:: [H,a*]=hwa*

I am going through my class notes and trying to prove the middle commutator relation, View attachment 313257

I am ending up with a negative sign in my work. It comes from [a,a] being invoked during the commutation. I obviously need [a,a] to appear instead.

Why am I getting [a,a] instead of [a,a]?

View attachment 313258
Hint: Calculate ##[H, a^{\dagger} ] |1>## using ##H|n> = (n + 1/2) \hbar \omega |n>## and ##a^{\dagger} |1> = c |2>##. What happens?

-Dan
 
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Seems to me the step (2) is wrong, you are changing the order of operation there

In step (1) you have ## (a^\dagger a + \frac{1}{2})a^\dagger - a^\dagger(a^\dagger a + \frac{1}{2}) ##
But in step (2) you have ## a^\dagger (a^\dagger a + \frac{1}{2} - a^\dagger a - \frac{1}{2})##

Redo step (1) to (2), keep the order of operators unaltered.
 
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It seems to me step (1) is wrong. The commutator disappeared…

Too early in the morning, you just expanded the commutator. I would not do this, I would apply commutator rules for ##[AB,C] = A[B,C]+[A,C]B##.
 
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Thanks to all, I have seen the trivial mistake I made. I was able to get the correct answer now.
 
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