Proving Comparability of a Relation on the Plane (RxR): A Dilemma

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The problem involves defining a relation on the plane \( R^2 \) and demonstrating that this relation is comparable. The original poster has established nonreflexivity and transitivity but is struggling with proving comparability for distinct elements in \( R^2 \). The challenge lies in showing that for any two elements, either one is less than the other according to the defined relation.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster considers proof by cases but expresses concern about the number of cases involved. They also contemplate proving the contrapositive but note that this may require separate case handling as well.
  • Some participants question the number of cases and the complexity of working through them, suggesting there may not be as many as the original poster fears.
  • Another participant outlines specific cases based on the values of \( x_0, x_1, y_0, \) and \( y_1 \) and questions the validity of assumptions made during the reasoning process.
  • One participant provides a structured approach to the problem, analyzing the implications of the relation and considering various scenarios that could arise.

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The original poster's dilemma is compounded by the complexity of the relation and the need to handle multiple cases, which may involve assumptions about the values of the coordinates. The discussion reflects a mix of uncertainty and exploration of potential strategies for proof.

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Homework Statement


Define a relation on the plane by setting:

(x_o,y_o)<(x_1,y_1) \mbox{ if either } y_0-x_0^2<y_1-x_1^2, \mbox{ or } y_o-x_o^2=y_1-x_1^2 \mbox{ and } x_0<x_1.

I have easily showed that Nonreflexivity and Transitivity hold. The only dilemma i am facing is to show that Comparability holds as well.
That is to show that for any two elements
(x_0,y_0),(x_1,y_1)\in R^2
such that :
(x_0,y_0)\not=(x_1,y_1)

then either
(x_0,y_0)<(x_1,y_1) \mbox{ or } (x_1,y_1)<(x_0,y_0)

To be more specific, is proof by cases the only way to go about it, or is there any way around it? There seem to be too many cases, and i don't really want to pursue this route. I am also thinking about proving its contrapositive, but still, it looks like i would have to treat a few cases separately.

Any suggestions would be appreciated!
 
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Too many cases?

How many do you think there are? And how involved is working through each one?

I haven't worked the problem, but my instinct says there shouldn't be much more than 4, and each one very quick. So nowhere near "too many".
 
Ok then, let:

(x_o,y_o),(x_1,y_1)\in R^2, \mbox{ such that } (x_o,y_o)\not=(x_1,y_1).

\mbox{ Then } x_o\not=x_1 \mbox { or } y_o\not=y_1.

Without loss of generality(?) assume that

x_o<y_o \mbox{ or } y_o<y_1.----(1)

Then we would have to consider the following cases:

(i) x_o>0,x_1>0 \mbox{ or } y_o>0,y_1>0 .

(ii) x_0<0,x_1<0 \mbox{ or } y_o<0,y_1<0.

(iii) x_o<0,x_1>0 \mbox{ or } y_o<0,y_1>0.

(iv) x_o>0, x_1<0 \mbox{ or } y_o>0,y_1<0.

First, can i make the assumption on (1), and second are these all the cases or?
 
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It looks pretty straight forward to me. Assume that (x_0,y_0)\ne (x_1,y_1) and (x_0, y_0) is not < (x1, y1). Then it is NOT the case that y_0- x_0^2< y_1- x_1^2 so either y_0- x_0^2> y_1- x_1^2 or y_0- x_0^2= y_1- x_1^2.
If the former, then y_1- x_1^2< y_0- x_0^2 so (x_0, y_0)< (x_1, y_1).

If the latter, then y_0- x_0^2= y_1- x_1^2 but x_0 is not less than x_1.

If x_0= x_1 then x_0^2= x_1^2 so from y_0- x_0^2= y_1- x_1^2 we get y_0= x_0 which contradicts (x_0, y_0)\ne (x_1, y_1).

If x_1< x0 then that, together with y_1- x_1^2= y_0- x_0^2 gives (x_1,y_1)< (x_0,y_0).

You still need to show that only one of those three can hold but that should be fairly easy.


We want to prove that, in that case, (x_1, y_1)< (x_0, y_0). Then
 
Thanks! I appreciate your help!
 

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