Proving Continuity and Differentiability of f(x) with Given Conditions

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The discussion revolves around proving the continuity and differentiability of a function f(x) under specific conditions, particularly focusing on the implications of the derivative being bounded by 1 on the interval [a,b]. Participants are exploring the relationship between the function's differentiability and the existence of a constant k that satisfies certain inequalities.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the application of the Mean Value Theorem and the implications of the derivative's boundedness. There are attempts to clarify the definitions of maximum and minimum values of the derivative and how they relate to the constant k. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of continuity and the existence of a maximum for the derivative on a compact interval.

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The discussion is active, with participants raising questions about the definitions and implications of the maximum of the derivative. Some have suggested modifications to the original proof to refine estimates, while others are exploring the conditions under which k can be defined. There is acknowledgment of the relationship between k and the bounds on the derivative, but no consensus has been reached on the exact nature of k.

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Participants are working within the constraints of the problem as posed, including the requirement that |f'(x)| < 1 for all x in [a,b]. There is ongoing clarification about the definitions of maximum and minimum values in the context of the derivative, as well as the implications of the Extreme Value Theorem.

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f is differentiable continuously(which means that f(x) and f'(x) are continues and differentiable) on [a,b]
suppose that |f'(x)|<1 for x in [a,b]

prove that there is 0<=k<1 so there is x1,x2 in [a,b]
|f(x1)-f(x2)|<=k|x1-x2|
??

i started from the data that i was given and i know that f(x) is differentiable
so
[tex] f'(x)=\lim _{h->0}\frac{f(x+h)-f(h))}{h}[/tex]
i use

|f'(x)|<1
so
[tex] |f'(x)|=\lim _{h->0}\frac{|f(x+h)-f(h))|}{|h|}<1[/tex]

so f(x) is continues and differentiable
so i use mvt on x1 and x2
[tex] f'(k)=\frac{f(x1)-f(x2)}{x1-x2}[/tex]
and i combine that with
|f'(x)|<1

[tex] \frac{|f(x1)-f(x2)|}{|x1-x2|}<1[/tex]
so
[tex] |f(x1)-f(x2)| <|x1-x2|[/tex]

what now?
 
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Show that [tex]|f'(x)|\le k[/tex] for all x in [a,b] and for some 0<k<1. Hint: A continuous function defined on a compact interval has a maximum.
 
they sign L as the minimum of f'(x)
and they sign l as the maximum of f'(x)

then they say that k=max{|f(L)|,|f(l)|}

but its not true
i am given that 0=<k<1
and i don't know if i get the same values

why
k=max{|f(L)|,|f(l)|} equals 0=<k<1
??
 
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transgalactic said:
i can't understand these words as a logical sentence
"Hint: A continuous function defined on a compact interval has a maximum."

I was referring to the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_value_theorem" .

What does it tell you about the function |f'(x)| on the interval [a,b]?
You will find that is has a maximum M. Now use |f'(x)|<1 to show that M<1.
 
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why this maximum is K ??
and not 1 ??
 
transgalactic said:
why this maximum is K ??
and not 1 ??

Use the following: If M is the maximum of |f'(x)| then there exists a point a with |f'(a)|=M (by definition), but |f'(x)|<1 for all x (including a), so what does that tell you about M?
 
that M<1
 
i have been told that l,L are the maximum and minimum points on [a,b] interval so
f'(l)<=f'(x)<=f'(L)

what is the meaning of
k=max{|f'(L)|,|f'(l)|}
why not just say that
k=f'(L)
we see that f'(L) is the maximum in the innequality
??
 
ok here is the complete proof as i see it

if we take K as maximum of the sequence
we get
|f'(x1)-f'(x2)|=|f'(c)||x1-x2|<=K|x1-x2|

but how to show that k
is 0<=k<1
??
 
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transgalactic said:
ok here is the complete proof as i see it

if we take K as maximum of the sequence
we get
|f'(x1)-f'(x2)|=|f'(c)||x1-x2|<=K|x1-x2|

but how to show that k
is 0<=k<1
??

Look at posts #6 and #7.
 
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ok i agree that k<1

but its -1<k<1 because of |f'(x)|<1

not
0<=k<1
 
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If k=max |f'(x)| then k>=0 because [tex]|f'(x)|\ge 0[/tex] for all x.
Modify your original proof where you used |f'(x)|<1 and use [tex]|f'(x)|\le k[/tex] instead to get a better estimate.
 
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thanks
 

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