Proving continuity of f(x,y) = g(x)p(y)

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The discussion revolves around proving the continuity of the function f(x,y) = g(x)p(y), where g(x) and p(y) are continuous real functions. Participants explore the rigorous proof of continuity at a specific point (x1,y1) and the implications of the continuity of the individual functions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a rigorous proof of continuity for f(x,y) at (x1,y1) and expresses difficulty in applying the triangle inequality effectively.
  • Another participant proposes a method involving the definition of a ball and breaks down the expression |f(x,y) - f(x0,y0)| into manageable parts, suggesting the use of the continuity of g and p to complete the proof.
  • A third participant provides a similar approach, emphasizing the breakdown of the expression and the application of inequalities.
  • One participant questions whether the continuity of g and p requires them to be bounded, suggesting that continuity in a compact set might be necessary.
  • A later reply clarifies that boundedness is not required for the proof, while still acknowledging the importance of continuity in the context of the discussion.
  • Another participant mentions that the continuity of multiplication could have been utilized in the proof.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the continuity of the functions g and p, but there is some uncertainty regarding the necessity of boundedness and continuity in a compact set. The discussion remains unresolved on this point.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express assumptions about the need for boundedness, while others challenge this notion without reaching a consensus. The discussion also highlights the dependence on the definitions of continuity and the properties of the functions involved.

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I know this must be easy, but...

Say real functions g(x) and p(y) are continuous and f(x,y) = g(x)p(y). How to proof rigorously the continuity of f in a point (x1,y1)?

In other words, how to obtain l g(x)p(y) - g(x1)p(y1) l < epsilon (for any epsilon).

I can prove that l g(x)p(y1) - g(x1)p(y) l < any epsilon, but I can't see how to go from here to there. I am trying all variations of the triangular inequality, to no avail.

Thanks for your help.
 
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We want to prove
\forall \varepsilon&gt;0\quad\exists\delta&gt;0\quad\forall (x,y)\in B_{\delta}(x_0,y_0):f(x,y)\in B_{\varepsilon}(f(x_0,y_0))

Let fix epsilon and we want to find such delta. From definition of ball B, we compute

\begin{array}{ll}|f(x,y)-f(x_0,y_0)|:&amp;=|g(x)p(y)-g(x_0)p(y_0)|\\&amp;=|g(x)p(y)-g(x)p(y_0)+g(x)p(y_0)-g(x_0)p(y_0)|\\&amp;\le|g(x)p(y)-g(x)p(y_0)|+|g(x)p(y_0)-g(x_0)p(y_0)|\\&amp;=|p(y)-p(y_0)||g(x)|+|g(x)-g(x_0)||p(y_0)|\end{array}

Now, I think you are able to complete this proof. Use the continuity of g and p.
 
Hi Castilla! :smile:

|g(x)p(y)-g(x_1)p(y_1)|=|(g(x)p(y)-g(x_1)p(y))+(g(x_1)p(y)-g(x_1)p(y_1))|\leq |g(x)-g(x_1)||p(y)|+|g(x_1)||p(y)-p(y_1)|

I'll let you continue from there.
 
Thank you, stanley and micromass. You enlightened my mind.
 
Just one question. Looking at both answers, basically the same, it seems that I need that the functions g and p to be bounded.

So I would need not only that g and p are continuous, but also that they're continuous in a compact set?

thanks again!
 
You don't need that, but good catch!

You have

|g(x)p(y)-g(x_0)p(y_0)| = |(g(x)-g(x_0))(p(y)-p(y_0)) +p(y_0)(g(x)-g(x_0)) + g(x_0)(p(y)-p(y_0))| <= |g(x)-g(x_0)||p(y)-p(y_0)| +|p(y_0)||g(x)-g(x_0)| + |g(x_0)|p(y)-p(y_0)|
 
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Excellent explanation. Thank you.
 
You could have used the fact multiplication is continuous...
 

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