Proving convergence for integral

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The discussion revolves around proving the convergence of two improper integrals involving exponential functions, specifically ∫a∞exp(-at)dt and ∫1∞exp(-2at)dt, where a is a positive real number. Participants are exploring the conditions under which these integrals converge and the implications of their findings.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to demonstrate the convergence of the integrals by evaluating limits and discussing the behavior of the integrals as t approaches infinity. There are questions regarding the correctness of antiderivatives and the implications of the variable a in both the limits and the integrands.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided partial evaluations of the integrals and are seeking clarification on how to articulate the convergence for all positive values of a. There is a recognition of the need for more detailed work to support their claims, and multiple interpretations of the problem setup are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants note confusion regarding the assignment's requirements, particularly the role of the variable a in both the limits and the integrands. There is also mention of the need to solve an equation relating the two integrals, which adds complexity to the discussion.

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Homework Statement


Prove that for every a ∈ ℝ+ the following improper integrals are convergent and measure its value.

∫a∞exp(-at)dt
Edited by mentor: ##\int_a^{\infty} e^{-at} dt##

∫1∞exp(-2at)dt
Edited by mentor: ##\int_1^{\infty} e^{-2at} dt##

The Attempt at a Solution



For the first integral i get -1/t+exp(t^2)+1/aexp(a^2) which for t going to infinity is convergent with the value 1/aexp(a^2)

For the second integral i get that it converges towards 1/2aexp(2a) for t going to infinity.

My issue is, that i am not quite sure how to explain, that this shows that for every a > 0 the integrals converges?
 
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Dont know what went wrong when i posted, but the integrals are meant to be read as from a to ∞ and 1 to ∞ for the functions exp(-at) and exp(-2at)
 
You need to show your work. For example, for the first one you need to show
$$\lim_{b\to \infty}\int_a^b e^{-at}~dt$$ is finite and give its value. And check your antiderivative. And did you mean to have ##a## both in the lower limit and the integrand?
 
LCKurtz said:
You need to show your work. For example, for the first one you need to show
$$\lim_{b\to \infty}\int_a^b e^{-at}~dt$$ is finite and give its value. And check your antiderivative. And did you mean to have ##a## both in the lower limit and the integrand?

Yes a is both in the lower limit and in the integrand in the assignment, was confused by this at first as well. I assign t > a in the first one, and t > 1 in the second one, and then i let t go towards infinity to show that they are convergent with the values i found when t goes towards infinity. Is this enough though, to conclude that for every a > 0 they are convergent?

Also, the last part of the assignment is to solve the equation: I1 = I2 (I1 is the first integral and I2 is the second integral)
 
Your first one is wrong and we have nothing to discuss until you show your work. It doesn't help us for you to just tell us "what you got". And even then, you need to put parentheses in the correct places for us to even know what you did get.
 
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In your calculus book, this topic is called improper integrals. There are generally 2 types of improper integrals for your case. I can help you, but like others have said, you have to show some work.
 
The first one, i assign t > a as the upper limit. When i solve it i get (-1/t)*(1/e^(t^2)) - (-1/a)*(1/e^(a^2)) = 1/(a*e^(a^2)) - 1/(t*e^(t^2)) . For t → ∞, the integral → 1/(a*e^(a^2))
 
I don't know what you mean? I integrate it and get -1/a * exp(-at) = - 1/(a*exp(at)) which gives me the above answer when i use the upper and lower limit.
 
zebo said:
I don't know what you mean? I integrate it and get -1/a * exp(-at) = - 1/(a*exp(at)) which gives me the above answer when i use the upper and lower limit.

But in post #1 you wrote "For the first integral i get -1/t+exp(t^2)+1/aexp(a^2)". I copied/pasted this directly from your message!
 
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Ray Vickson said:
But in post #1 you wrote "For the first integral i get -1/t+exp(t^2)+1/aexp(a^2)". I copied/pasted this directly from you message!
Oh yeah, went alittle fast from my paper to here, sorry about that i ofcourse meant -1/(t*exp(t^2)) not 1/t+exp(t^2).

I am heading to bed, but i will work on it tomorrow. It is not so much the solving of the integrals, but more the understanding behind why this shows that for all positive values of a this shows that the integrals are convergent with above mentioned values. If the above shows the solution in which a takes part, then how do i explain / understand that this shows that for all positive values of a it is convergent?

On another note, i am asked to solve the equation 1/(a*exp(a^2)) = 1/(2a*exp(2a)) and i can't quite wrap my head around how to begin.

Thx in advance for any / all help and sorry if i am coming off as a guy who just wants you to solve my stuff, since this is not the case. If you have any link to someplace where i can understand this better it would be greatly appreciated.
 

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