Proving div(F X G) = G·curl(F) - F·curl(G)

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The discussion revolves around proving the vector calculus identity div(F X G) = G·curl(F) - F·curl(G), where F and G are differentiable vector functions. Participants are examining the divergence of the cross product of two vector fields and comparing it to the expression involving curls.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to compute both sides of the equation and are noting discrepancies in their results. There is a focus on the terms derived from G·curl(F) and F·curl(G), with some questioning the arithmetic involved in their calculations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance regarding the use of the product rule to reconcile the differences in their calculations. There is ongoing exploration of the expressions involved, with multiple interpretations being discussed.

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Participants are grappling with potential arithmetic mistakes and the correct application of vector calculus identities. There is mention of specific terms and derivatives that are causing confusion, indicating a need for clarity on the definitions and operations involved.

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Homework Statement



If F = F1i + F2j + F3k and G = G1i + G2j + G3k are differentiable vector functions of (x,y,z) prove that div(F X G) = G·curl(F) - F·curl(G)

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If computed both sides of the equation, but they are not the same. My left hand side is
div(F X G) = (∂/∂x)(F2G3-G2F3) + (∂/∂y)(G1F3-F1G3) + (∂/∂z)(F1G2-F2G1)

My right hand side is
G·curl(F) - F·curl(G) = (∂/∂x)(2F2G3-2G2F3) + (∂/∂y)(2G1F3-2F1G3) + (∂/∂z)(2F1G2-2F2G1)

This weird two has appeared out of nowhere! I've checked over many, many times and still can't spot any arithmatic mistakes. I'll break it down below and hopefully somebody may be able to point out a mistake.

G·curl(F) = G1F3(∂/∂y) - G1F2(∂/∂z) - G2F3(∂/∂x) + G2F1(∂/∂z) + G3F2(∂/∂x) - G3F1(∂/∂y)

F·curl(G) = F1G3(∂/∂y) - F1G2(∂/∂z) - F2G3(∂/∂x) + F2G1(∂/∂z) + F3G2(∂/∂x) - G1F3(∂/∂y)
 
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You seem to have added rather than subtracted G·curl(F) and F·curl(G)!
 
That's what it appears like, but I checked that as well. for instance, let's just group the ∂/∂x terms.

From G·curl(F) we have:
∂/∂x (G3F2 - G2F3)

and from F·curl(G) we have:
∂/∂x (F3G2- F2G3)

Then G·curl(F) - F·curl(G) = [∂/∂x (G3F2 - G2F3)] - [∂/∂x (F3G2- F2G3)]
= ∂/∂x (2F2G3 - 2F3G2)

as shown above!
 
bump!
 
From G.curl(F) I get G3*d/dx(F2)-G2*d/dx(F3). That's different from your result. Why? G.curl(F) shouldn't have ANY derivatives of G, right?
 
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ok, I've taken that onboard. I am still struggling though.

My left hand side remains the same,
div(F X G) = (∂/∂x)(F2G3-G2F3) + (∂/∂y)(G1F3-F1G3) + (∂/∂z)(F1G2-F2G1)

Now taking into account the help from Dick, my RHS G·curl(F) - F·curl(G) now becomes
G1(∂/∂y)F3 - G1(∂/∂z)F2 - G2(∂/∂x)F3 + G2(∂/∂z)F1 + G3(∂/∂x)F2 - G3(∂/∂y)F1 - [F1(∂/∂y)G3 - F1(∂/∂z)G2 - F2(∂/∂x)G3 + F2(∂/∂z)G1 + F3(∂/∂x)G2 - G1(∂/∂y)F3]

My question now, is how do I make them equal? I am thinking of product rule. On the right track?
 
Yes, product rule! Product rule!
 
Done, thank you!
 

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