Proving Inequalities in Mathematical Induction

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The discussion revolves around proving inequalities using mathematical induction, specifically focusing on two problems involving sums and products of sequences. The first problem involves showing that the sum of a sequence plus one is less than or equal to the product of one plus each term in the sequence, under certain conditions. The second problem seeks to prove that the sum of positive numbers, constrained by their product being equal to one, is greater than the number of terms.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the validity of the initial approach to expanding the product in the first problem and whether it clearly demonstrates the inequality. There are attempts to relate the second problem to the first, with one participant questioning how to proceed after establishing certain inequalities.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problems, with some providing insights and others seeking clarification on their reasoning. There is a recognition of the need for further exploration of the second question, and hints are requested to guide the discussion without revealing complete solutions.

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There are constraints regarding the types of solutions that can be shared, as complete solutions have been removed from the discussion. Participants are encouraged to work through the problems independently while discussing their reasoning and approaches.

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1) provethat:
n n
sum(a_k)+1<= product(1+a_k)
k=1 k=1
when a_k>0 for every k natural, or when -1<a_k<0

2) x1,...x_n>0
n>1 x1x2..x_n=1
prove by induction on n that x1+x2+...+x_n>n

concerning the first question i tried to open the product this way:
n
product(1+a_k)=(1+a1)(1+a2)...(1+an)=1+a1(a2+..an)+a1a2...an+a2(a3+...+an)+a3(a4+...an)+an
from here its apparent that it's greater than the sum, is my opening correct?

about the second question:
i have these two:
x1+x2+...xn>k
k-1+x1+x2+..+xn>2k-1>=k+1
then i only need to prove that:
x1+..+xk+1>k-1+x1+...+xk
or:
xk+1>k-1
if we use this: x1x2...xkxk+1=xk+1
we get:
x1x2...xkxk+1>k-1
now how do i approach it from there on?
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well induction is fine by me, but have i opned the product correctly, because if i have it's self apparent that it's bigger or equals the sum.

btw, what about the second question?

thank you for your help, induction does look much simpler than my approach.
 
benorin said:
1) Prove that:

[complete solution edited out]
NO COMPLETE SOLUTION!
 
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benorin, I've deleted your post because it contained a complete solution to the question asked (even without any pedagogical explanation).
 
FYI

[tex]\prod_{k=1}^{n} (1+ a_k z) = 1 + \sum_{q=1}^{n} z^{q} \left[ \sum_{1 \leq p_1 < p_2 < \cdots < p_q \leq n} \left( \prod_{k=1}^{q} a_{p_k} \right) \right][/tex]

put z=1 and verify.

Thanks, I need to work that one out myself

--Ben
 
what about my second question? can i get some hints?
 

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