Proving Limit of Bilinear Function at 0 Vector

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The discussion revolves around proving the limit of a bilinear function as its inputs approach the zero vector in a multi-dimensional space. The original poster presents a limit statement involving a bilinear function defined from R^n x R^m to R^p and seeks to establish that the ratio of the function's value to the norm of its inputs approaches zero.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the delta-epsilon definition of limits and discuss the implications of bilinear properties. Some suggest finding a constant bound for the function on the unit sphere, while others question how to apply the bilinear properties to establish such bounds. There is confusion regarding the notation for the norm of pairs of vectors.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering various approaches and questioning the assumptions and definitions involved. Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of linearity and the triangle inequality, but there is no explicit consensus on the path forward.

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There is uncertainty regarding the interpretation of the norm of vector pairs and the application of bilinear properties. The original poster expresses confusion about how to bound the function's value using the given properties, indicating a need for clarification on these concepts.

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Homework Statement


Let f: R^n X R^m --> R^p be a bilinear function.
Prove that |f(h, k)|/|(h, k)| --> 0 as (h, k) --> 0 (zero vector in R^(n+m)).

Homework Equations


If f: R^n X R^m --> R^p is bilinear, then for x, x1, x2 in R^n, y, y1, y2 in R^m, a in R:
a) f(ax, y) = f(x,ay) = af(x,y)
b) f(x1+x2,y) = f(x1,y) + f(x2,y)
c) f(x,y1+y2) = f(x,y1) + f(x,y2)

The Attempt at a Solution


Straight from delta-epsilon definition of limit, we have:
for every epsilon>0, there exist delta>0 s.t. |(h,k)|<delta -> |f(h,k)|/|(h,k)|<epsilon
That means delta>|f(h,k)|/epsilon

I'm stuck on this. How do I find a bound on |f(h,k)| using the bilinear properties given?
 
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If you can show there is some constant A such that |f(h,k)|<A for all h,k on the unit sphere, then you have for any h,k:

[tex]|f(h,k)| = |h||k| |f(h/|h|,k/|k|)| < A|h||k|[/tex]

from which you should be able to get what you need.
 
Thanks for the reply.

From what was given in the question, I don't see how to get a bound on |f(u,v)| where u, v are the unit vector for h and k respectively.

First of all, I'm a bit confused by the notion of |(h,k)|. Let's say h is in R^2 and k is in R^3, then what does |((3,4), (1,2,3)| evaluate to?
 
Use linearity. For example, if you had an ordinary linear functional f, its values are determined by its values on a basis e_i, since any vector v can be written a_1 e_1 + ... +a_n e_n, so that f(v) = a_1 f(e_1) + ... +a_n f(e_n). Then by the triangle inequality:

[tex]|f(v)| \leq |a_1| |f(e_1)| + ... + |a_n| |f(e_n)|[/tex]

The advantage of this is that there are only finitely many values |f(e_i)|, so this set definitely does have a max. I'll let you try to finish the proof and extend it to the case of bilinear functions.

And from what you said, it sounds like they want you to consider the pairs of vectors as vectors in Rn+m, so the norm would be:

[tex]|(h,k)|^2 = {h_1}^2 + ... + {h_n}^2 + {k_1}^2 + ... + {k_m}^2 = |h|^2 + |k|^2[/tex]
 
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Use linearity. For example, if you had an ordinary linear functional f, its values are determined by its values on a basis e_i, since any vector v can be written a_1 e_1 + ... +a_n e_n, so that f(v) = a_1 f(e_1) + ... +a_n f(e_n). Then by the triangle inequality:

[tex]|f(v)| \leq |a_1| |f(e_1)| + ... + |a_n| |f(e_n)|[/tex]

The advantage of this is that there are only finitely many values |f(e_i)|, so this set definitely does have a max. I'll let you try to finish the proof and extend it to the case of bilinear functions.

And from what you said, it sounds like they want you to consider the pairs of vectors as vectors in Rn+m, so the norm would be:

[tex]|(h,k)|^2 = {h_1}^2 + ... + {h_n}^2 + {k_1}^2 + ... + {k_m}^2 = |h|^2 + |k|^2[/tex]

Well, I understand the linear case but I can't quite figure out the bilinear case. Would you enlighten me on that?

However, looking at another angle, wouldn't f(x,y) be in a general form of f(x,y)=Ax+By+C, where A is p*n matrix, B is p*m matrix and C is in R^p? Therefore, express P in terms of elements in A, B, C, and h, k, then definitely, |f(x,y)| has a bound.

However, this is quite trivial, and doesn't involve the bilinear property. Therefore, I wonder if it's the right path?
 
No, a bilinear function satisfies f(ax,y)=f(x,ay)=af(x,y), which your form doesn't (incidentally, ignoring the C, which shouldn't be there since for linear functions (in the vector space sense) zero goes to zero, that's the form of a (singly) linear function from Rn+m to Rp).

Put aijk equal to the kth component of f(e_i,e_j), where e_i=(0,...,0,1,0,...,0), with the one in the ith place. Then:

[tex]f(x,y) = f(\sum_i x_i e_i,\sum_j y_j e_j)[/tex]

[tex]= \sum_i x_i f(e_i,\sum_j y_j e_j) = \sum_i x_i \sum_j y_j f(e_i, e_j)[/tex]

Then since [itex]f(e_i, e_j) = \sum_k a_{ijk} e_k[/itex], we get:

[tex]f(x,y) = \sum_{ijk} a_{ijk} x_i y_j e_k[/tex]

So if you want to use matrices, you'll need to use 3 dimensional ones. But my suggestion was to write:[tex]|f(x,y)| = |\sum_{ijk} a_{ijk} x_i y_j e_k |[/tex]

[tex]\leq \sum_{ijk} |a_{ijk}| |x_i| |y_j| |e_k|[/tex]

and use this to get a bound.
 

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