Proving p<=>~p: Two Contradictory and Identical Proofs Explained

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The discussion revolves around the proofs of the statement \( p \leftrightarrow \neg p \), exploring two contradictory proofs that yield different results: one leading to a contradiction and the other to an identity. Participants examine the implications of these proofs and the nature of logical formulas.

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  • One participant presents two proofs of \( p \leftrightarrow \neg p \), noting that the first proof results in a contradiction while the second results in an identity.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of stronger and weaker formulas, asserting that \( p \leftrightarrow \neg p \) is equivalent to a contradiction, as it can derive both a contradiction and a tautology.
  • Some participants argue that the assumption \( p \leftrightarrow \neg p \) is inherently a self-contradiction, which explains the divergent results of the proofs.
  • There is a query regarding the syntactic proof of Modus Ponens from any formula, indicating a desire for clarification on the logical implications of formulas.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the meaning of "identity" in the context of logical implications, suggesting a need for clearer definitions.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of the proofs and the implications of the assumption \( p \leftrightarrow \neg p \). There is no consensus on the interpretation of logical implications or the definitions of terms used in the discussion.

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Some participants highlight the need for clarity regarding the definitions of terms such as "formula" and "identity," as well as the distinction between syntactic and semantic implications.

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CANNOT FIGURE THIS OUT:

proof No1

1. p<=>~p.........assumption

2. (p<=>~p)<=>[(p=>~p)^(~p=>p)]......definition of (1)

3. (p<=>~p)=>[(p=>~p)^(~p=>p)].....2,and Biconditional Elimination

4. (p=>~p)^(~p=>p).........1,3 M.Ponens

5. (~p=>p)............4, Simplification

6. (p=>~p)............4,and using Simplification

7. ~~pvp............5, material implication

8. ~pv~p............6, material implication

9. pvp.............7. negation elimination

10. ~p.............8, idempontent law

11. p.............9, idempontent law

12. ~p^p............10,11 and Conjunctionproof No 2

1. p<=>~p.........assumption

2. (p<=>~p)<=>[(p=>~p)^(~p=>p)]......definition of (1)

3. (p<=>~p)=>[(p=>~p)^(~p=>p)].....2, Biconditional Elimination

4. (p=>~p)^(~p=>p).........1,3 M.Ponens

5. p=>p............4, hypothetical Syllogism

6. ~pvp............5, material implication

In the 1st proof we ended up with a contradiction ,while in the 2nd proof with an identity
 
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Let's define a formula $A$ to be stronger than a formula $B$ (or $B$ weaker than $A$) if $A\to B$ is a tautology, or, equivalently, $A\vdash B$. Then $\bot$ (the contradiction) is the strongest formula because $\bot\to B$ is true for any $B$. Conversely, $\top$ (the tautology) is the weakest formula because $A\to\top$ is true for any $A$. Derivation 2 shows that $p\leftrightarrow\neg p\vdash\top$, but this is obvious since every formula is stronger than $\top$. Derivation 1 shows that $p\leftrightarrow\neg p\vdash\bot$, which shows that $p\leftrightarrow\neg p$ is at least as strong as $\bot$ and, therefore, is equivalent to $\bot$.
 
Or, put another way, your assumption is a self-contradiction. Since you can prove anything whatsoever from a contradiction, it's not surprising that you got two such widely different results from a contradiction.
 
Evgeny.Makarov said:
because $A\to\top$ is true for any $A$

So how are you going to prove that any formula A logically implies M.PONENS for e.g

I mean syntactically not semantically ,like you did.

And then generally that any formula A logically implies any identity B
 
Ackbach said:
Or, put another way, your assumption is a self-contradiction. .

I was trying to prove that syntactically
 
solakis said:
So how are you going to prove that any formula A logically implies M.PONENS for e.g
I am not sure what you mean by "formula A logically implies M.PONENS". Modus Ponens is an inference rule, but only formulas can be logically implied.

solakis said:
And then generally that any formula A logically implies any identity B
I am not sure what you mean by "identity". If you mean tautology, then it is logically implied by definition. We say that $A$ logically implies $B$, written as $A\models B$, if $B$ is true in every interpretation in which $A$ is true. If you mean that $A$ derives $B$, written $A\vdash B$, for any tautology $B$ and any formula $A$, then this is the content of the completeness theorem (which shows $\vdash B$ for any tautology $B$).
 

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