Proving Q = gradP + Sr for Splitting Vector Field B

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The discussion centers on the decomposition of a divergenceless vector field, B, into poloidal and toroidal components, with a focus on proving the existence of a scalar potential, P. The author struggles to demonstrate that the vector Q can be expressed as Q = grad P + Sr, despite guidance suggesting that Q does not need to be strictly grad P. The conversation touches on the relevance of de Rham cohomology in understanding these vector decompositions and their mathematical foundations. Participants also mention the importance of scalar and vector functions in this context, as well as the complexities involved in such proofs. The need for further clarification on the significance of these concepts and their implications in differential geometry is highlighted.
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The question is about the decomposition of any divergenceless vector field, B, in Poloidal and Toroidal parts. It says in one paper that I've been reading
"Since B is solenoidal, it can be split into toroidal and poloidal parts, BT and Bp: B=curl(Tr)+curlcurl(Pr)"

I cannot find the way of proving that the scalar potencial P must really exist, I mean, I cannot prove that if we have a vector field divergenceless like B we have to have a decomposition like that.


This were my steps
.div (B)=0 therefore B=curl(A)

.A is the vector potencial and can be decomposed in 2 parts, one parallel to r and other perpendicular to r,i.e., A=Tr+Qxr

.Then B comes like B=curl(Tr)+curl(Qxr)
.Now, if Q were irrotacional then Q=grad P and the thing was done(B=curl(Tr)+curlcurl(Pr))

But how can I prove Q is really Q=gradP?


I've sent an email to the author and she said that Q is not required to be Q=gradP but isntead it should have the more general form
Q=gradP +Sr
Ok, it works fine and I get the final result as I want.
But again, can I really write Q like Q=gradP +Sr?? It doesn't seem obvious for me...

If you could give me a hand on this I would apreciate a lot.
 
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Do you want to know why this is true? I mean the serious reason behind the why? Learn about de Rham cohomology then, the de Rham complex is exact, and that tells you when things lie in the image of grad, say. You might want to explain what all the symbols mean as well: what is Sr, for instance?
 
Sorry not making it clear since the beginning;

T,S,P are scalar functions

B,A,Q are vector functions

r stands for radial vector




Rham cohomology ? I never heard about it... I don't think it would required such a complex thing, anyway...
 
de Rham cohomology explains these phenomena, there may be an elementary reason, but remember what you're doing requires you to be in R^3.

Perhaps recall the case of integration - it is only defined up to addition of a constant - that is something that differentiation kills off.
 
But so, what do you think about it?

What's the reason to have that kind ov vector decomposition?!
 
What is de Rham cohomology?..where we can get the information regarding the same.please let me know
 
Bott and Tu's book, the name escapes me, is supposed to be good.

It is related to differential forms and there might be something in the differential geometry forum.
 
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