Proving Real Value of Hard Quantum Question Homework

In summary, the conversation is about proving the acceptability of two proposed expressions for <xp> in terms of the given equations. However, it is shown that both expressions lead to imaginary values, and a third expression is proposed which is the sum of the two integrals. It is then discussed whether this third expression is the correct one and if it leads to a real value. The conversation ends with a request for suggestions on how to proceed with the second integral.
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Homework Statement



Prove that

Neither

<xp>=∫ψ* x(ħ/i)(∂/∂x) ψ dx

nor <xp>=∫ψ* x(ħ/i)(∂/∂x)xψ dx

is acceptable because both lead to imaginary value.Show that

<xp>=∫ψ* x(ħ/i)(∂/∂x) ψ dx + ∫ψ* x(ħ/i)(∂/∂x)xψ dx leads to real value.Does

<xp>=<x><p> ?

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution



Taking * of proposed <xp>=∫ψ* x(ħ/i)(∂/∂x) ψ dx and carrying out by parts integral,I get

<xp>*= -iħ +<xp> ≠ <xp> .Hence, given expression for <xp> is not real where it should be so.

[What I am woried about,even <xp> comes out to be imaginary, <xp>-<px>=iħ is still OK.Because <xp>*=<px>]

Also,my attempts to show the second proposed expression leads to imaginary value failed:

<xp>=∫ψ* x(ħ/i)(∂/∂x)xψ dx

=> <xp>*=∫ψ x(-ħ/i) (∂/∂x)xψ* dx

=><xp>*=(iħ) ∫ψx (∂/∂x)xψ* dx =(iħ) [-∫xψ*(ψ+ x(∂ψ/∂x)) dx + 0]

where I assumed [x²ψ*ψ] gives zero in both +∞ and -∞ limit.

[I am not sure at this point too.As the term involves a factor x²]

Can anyone suggest if I am going through the correct way?If I am doing wrong in integration, please show it.
 
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Given proposed expressions for [tex]\langle\ x \ p_x \rangle=\int^\infty_{\ - \infty}\psi\ast\ x \frac{\hbar}{i}[/tex][tex]\frac{\partial\psi}{\partial\ x }[/tex][tex]\ dx[/tex]

Another given expression for [tex]\langle\ x \ p_x \rangle=\int^\infty_{\ - \infty}\psi\ast\ x \frac{\hbar}{i}[/tex][tex]\frac{\partial(\ x \psi)}{\partial\ x }[/tex][tex]\ dx[/tex]

We are to show that neither is correct but the sum of the integrations is the correct expression for <xp_x>

I started with taking * of [tex]\langle\ x \ p_x \rangle[/tex] of the first expression:

[tex]\langle\ x \ p_x \rangle\ast=\frac{-\hbar}{i}\int_{\ - \infty}^\infty\psi\ x \frac{\partial\psi\ast}{\partial\ x }[/tex][tex]\ dx=[/tex][tex]\ i \hbar\ [\ - \int_{\ - \infty}^{\infty}\frac{\partial(\psi\ x )}{\partial\ x }\psi\ast\ dx\ + \(\psi\ast\ x \psi)_{\ - \infty}^{\infty}][/tex]

Last term=0

[tex]\langle\ x \ p_x \rangle\ast=\ i \hbar\[\ - \int_{\ - \infty}^\infty\psi\ast\ (\psi + \ x \frac{\partial\psi}{\partial\ x})\ dx \]=\ - \ i \hbar\ + \langle\ x \ p_x \rangle[/tex]

But this is not [tex]\langle\ x \ p_x \rangle[/tex].So, we conclude given expression of [tex]\langle\ x \ p_x \rangle[/tex] is not correct because the expectation value must be a real quantity Q such that Q*=Q

Note an interesting thing! Even if the expression is not correct,it correctly leads to <xp>-<px>=iħ as <xp>*=<px>

But I am in trouble with the second integration.It appears that the conjugate of the second integral should be equal to iħ so that the sum of the two integrals be <xp>

Can anyone please suggest anything?
 
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