Proving Sets Intersections/Unions

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The discussion revolves around proving set identities involving unions and Cartesian products of sets A, B, and C. The original poster presents two statements to prove: one regarding the union of sets and the other concerning the Cartesian product of sets with set subtraction.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the need to demonstrate the equality of two expressions by showing subset relationships. The original poster attempts to prove the first statement by establishing that each side is a subset of the other. Others suggest using logical reasoning to clarify the relationships between elements in the sets.
  • For the second statement, participants explore the implications of elements belonging to Cartesian products and how to express these relationships clearly. There are suggestions to include more detailed steps in the proofs to avoid logical leaps.

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Guidance has been offered regarding the logical structure of the proofs, with participants encouraging the original poster to provide more detail in their reasoning. Multiple interpretations of the proofs are being explored, particularly in how to express the relationships between elements in the Cartesian products.

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Participants note issues with LaTeX formatting in the original post, which may affect clarity. There is also an emphasis on the importance of being explicit in the definitions and properties of sets during the proofs.

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Homework Statement



Let A,B,C be sets.

(a) Show that:

A \cup B = (A\B)\cup(B\A)\cup(A \cap B)

(b) Show that:

A \times (B\C) = (A \times B) \ (A \times C)

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The Attempt at a Solution



For part (a) I need to prove the definition of a union. I think in order to prove that both sides of A \cup B = (A\B)\cup(B\A)\cup(A \cap B) are equal each other I must show that:

A \cup B \subseteq (A\B)\cup(B\A)\cup(A \cap B) and

A \cup B \supseteq (A\B)\cup(B\A)\cup(A \cap B)

I'm stuck here and don't know how to prove that the two are subsets of one another. Can anyone help me please?
 
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I checked your latex and it looks like some of it didn't come out (you had some A\B's that only came out as A's that probably were intended to be set subtraction).

The basic idea is to show that if x is an element of one side, x is an element of the other side. For example, if the question is show A = (A-B)\cup B if B is a subset of A, then I would do:

Suppose x is contained in A. Then either x is an element of B, or x is not. If x is an element of B, x is contained in (A-B)\cup B by definition of union. If x is not an element of B, then x is in A-B and hence in (A-B)\cup B. In either case, x is an element of (A-B)\cup B

Now, suppose x is in (A-B)\cup B. Then either x is in A-B or x is in B. If x is in A-B, then x is in A necessarily. If x is contained in B, then as B is a subset of A, x is contained in A. In either case, x is an element of A

Hence x is contained in A if and only if x is contained in (A-B)\cup B assuming B is a subset of A

Try using logic like that for your problem
 
I'm sorry, I don't know why the latex code didn't work, I will use the "-" sign instead of the "\" in my posts. Anyway here's the question:

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So for the first one:

Suppose x \in A \cup B, then x \in A or x \in B or x \in A and x \in B, thus x \in (A-B) \cup (B-A) \cup (A \cap B) and hence:

A \cup B \subseteq (A-B) \cup (B-A) \cup (A \cap B)

Conversely, suppose x \in (A-B) \cup (B-A) \cup (A \cap B), then x \in A or x \in B or x \in A and x \in B, so by the definition of union x \in A\cup B.

(A-B) \cup (B-A) \cup (A \cap B) \subseteq A \cup B

Is this proof correct?
 
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You shouldn't just jump form "if x\in A\cup B" to "hence". Show more detail.
If x is in A\cup B, the x is in A or in B (or both). If x is in A and NOT B then x is in A- B. If x is B but NOT A, then B- A. If x is in both A and B, then x is in A\cap B. In any case x is in (A-B)\cup(B-A)\cup(A\cap B).
 
OK here's what I've done for the second one:

A \times (B-C) = (A \times B) - (A \times C)

Suppose x \in A \times (B-C), it means that x belongs to A \times B but not A \times C (is this the explanation that is required?)

So x \in (A \times B) - (A \times C) \Rightarrow A \times (B-C) \subseteq (A \times B) - (A \times C)

Now suppose that x is in (A \times B) - (A \times C), that means x \in (A \times B), x \notin (A \times C) (is this sufficient?) therefore:

x \in A \times (B-C)

(A \times B) - (A \times C) \subseteq A \times (B-C)

So is it correct?
 
I would demonstrate that if x is in Ax(B-C) then x is in AxB but not in AxC, since that basically is what the question is asking
 
And if x \in (A \times B) - (A \times C) then x \in (A \times B) but x \notin A \times C which means x \in A \times (B-C).
 
roam said:
OK here's what I've done for the second one:

A \times (B-C) = (A \times B) - (A \times C)

Suppose x \in A \times (B-C), it means that x belongs to A \times B but not A \times C (is this the explanation that is required?)

So x \in (A \times B) - (A \times C) \Rightarrow A \times (B-C) \subseteq (A \times B) - (A \times C)

Now suppose that x is in (A \times B) - (A \times C), that means x \in (A \times B), x \notin (A \times C) (is this sufficient?) therefore:

x \in A \times (B-C)

(A \times B) - (A \times C) \subseteq A \times (B-C)

So is it correct?

Instead of letting the point x be in a cross product of two sets, I might suggest the following.
Let (x,y)\in A\times (B-C)
x\in A, and y\in B and y\not\in C
x\in A and y\in B, and x\in A and y\not\in C
(x,y)\in A\times B and (x,y)\not\in A\times C
(x,y)\in (A\times B) - (A\times C)
Therefore, A\times(B-C)\subseteq (A\times B) - (A\times C)

Here I'm letting (x,y) be in the cross product, as a point in a cross product of two sets is an ordered pair of two points. For me, that clears things up a bit, as you are directly using the definition of each set function: the cross product and set minus. Now can you do the same for the other direction? For these set theory proofs, I think it is good to overkill them by including every single step so as to not make any leaps, which can often lead to mistakes. Although, it looks like you are doing okay, just include more steps.
 
n!kofeyn said:
Instead of letting the point x be in a cross product of two sets, I might suggest the following.
Let (x,y)\in A\times (B-C)
x\in A, and y\in B and y\not\in C
x\in A and y\in B, and x\in A and y\not\in C
(x,y)\in A\times B and (x,y)\not\in A\times C
(x,y)\in (A\times B) - (A\times C)
Therefore, A\times(B-C)\subseteq (A\times B) - (A\times C)

Here I'm letting (x,y) be in the cross product, as a point in a cross product of two sets is an ordered pair of two points. For me, that clears things up a bit, as you are directly using the definition of each set function: the cross product and set minus. Now can you do the same for the other direction? For these set theory proofs, I think it is good to overkill them by including every single step so as to not make any leaps, which can often lead to mistakes. Although, it looks like you are doing okay, just include more steps.

So here's the converse (please correct me if I'm wrong):

Suppose (x,y) \in (A \times B) - (A \times C)

x \in A, and y \in B, x \notin A y \notin C

So, x \in A, and y \in B, & y \notin C

(x,y) \in A \times (B-C)

Hence: (A\times B) - (A\times C) \subseteq A\times(B-C)

Does this show enough detail/steps?
 
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roam said:
So here's the converse (please correct me if I'm wrong):

Suppose (x,y) \in (A \times B) - (A \times C)

x \in A, and y \in B, x \notin A y \notin C

I would be careful right here. Recall that the definition of a Cartesian product is A\times C = \{(a,c) \mid a\in A \text{ and } c\in C\}.
For a point (a,c)\not\in A\times C, then a\not\in A or c\not\in C.

So if (x,y)\in(A\times B)-(A\times C),
then (x,y)\in A\times B and (x,y)\not\in A\times C.
Then x\in A and y\in B, and x\not\in A or y\not\in C.
But we know that x is in A from the first part, so y must not be in C.
So then x\in A and y\in B, and x\in A and y\not\in C.
Then x\in A, and y\in B and y\not\in C.
Then x\in A, and y\in B-C.
Thus (x,y)\in A \times (B-C).
Therefore, (A\times B)-(A\times C)\subseteq A\times (B-C).

By the way, I said cross product in my previous post, but I meant Cartesian product. Make sure you go through all my steps in both posts so that you understand. For these proofs, you have to very explicit with your "ands" and "ors", as well as with where your points are at. Hope this helps.
 
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Thanks very much your post was very helpful.
 

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