Proving that a free electron can't fully absorb a photon

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The discussion revolves around proving that a free, stationary electron cannot fully absorb a photon, focusing on the principles of conservation of energy and momentum within the context of quantum mechanics.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the conservation laws that must be satisfied during the absorption of a photon by an electron. Questions arise regarding the application of these laws and the relationship between the energies and momenta of the photon and electron.

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The discussion includes attempts to clarify the conservation of energy and momentum, with some participants expressing uncertainty about their understanding and the validity of their reasoning. Guidance has been offered regarding the classical formulas for kinetic energy and momentum, as well as the energy and momentum of the photon.

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One participant notes their educational background, indicating a limitation to non-calculus-based physics and familiarity with certain quantum mechanics concepts. There is mention of a previous rejection of a proposed solution by a teacher, highlighting the ongoing exploration of the problem.

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Homework Statement


Prove that a free, stationary, electron can't fully absorb a photon

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I have no idea where to start.I must mention that i m on the 12 grade and not using calculus-based physics.And I've only studied and learned equations in quantum mechanics that involve Planck's constant(h) and not the reduced Planck constant (h bar).

Thank you!
 
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There are two conservation laws to be fulfilled when the electron absorbs the photon. What are they? Can be both of them true?

ehild
 
You're talking about the conservation of energy and the conservation of momentum.I presented this solution to my teacher and he rejected it.

Energy of the photon :Ef=pfc
Energy of the electron Ee=mec2

Now, the conservation of energy tells us that the final energy(after the absorption) is the same with the energy of the photon and the electron, so:

The total energy E=Ee + Ef

Am I right so far?Because this is the point at which i lose confidence

What's the total energy?
And where do I use the conservation of momentum?

Ty
 
squareroot said:
You're talking about the conservation of energy and the conservation of momentum.I presented this solution to my teacher and he rejected it.

Energy of the photon :Ef=pfc
Energy of the electron Ee=mec2

Now, the conservation of energy tells us that the final energy(after the absorption) is the same with the energy of the photon and the electron, so:

The total energy E=Ee + Ef

Am I right so far?Because this is the point at which i lose confidence

What's the total energy?
And where do I use the conservation of momentum?

Ty
The electron is in rest initially.
I think you can assume that the speed of the electron would be much below the speed of light, so you can say that the energy of the photon becomes the kinetic energy of the electron, and the momentum of the photon should be equal to the momentum of the electron after their interaction.
You can use he classical formula for the kinetic energy and the momentum of the electron. What are they?
What are the energy and momentum of the photon?


ehild
 
I solved it!

Thank you very much!
 
You are welcome:smile:

ehild
 

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