Proving that a function is monotonic and bounded

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The discussion revolves around proving that a function is monotonic and bounded, specifically focusing on a series defined as x_n=\prod_{i=1}^n \frac{i+9}{2i-1}. Participants are exploring the conditions under which the series is decreasing and bounded.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the ratio x_{n+1}/x_n to analyze monotonicity and question the necessity of proving A_(n+1)

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Some participants have offered hints and guidance regarding the behavior of the series as i increases, while others are questioning the correctness of expressions and calculations presented. Multiple interpretations of the expressions are being explored without reaching a consensus.

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There are indications of potential typos in the mathematical expressions being discussed, which may affect the clarity of the reasoning. Participants are also navigating through assumptions about the behavior of the series for large n.

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in this link i written the question and how i tried to solve them

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/7371/95405842kw4.gif

how to finish it??
 
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I think you may be making the monotone part a bit too complicated. Look at x_{n+1}/x_n. What can you tell about this ratio?

For the bounded part, why try to look at an upper bound for the numerator and a lower bound for the denominator?
 
Your series is x_n=\prod_{i=1}^n \frac{i+9}{2i-1}. I'll give you a hint, \frac{i+9}{2i-1}=\frac{1}{4} \frac{19}{2i-1}. What happens as i increases (after i=5)?

Good luck
 
why i need to prove that An+1<An
??
 
If you can show that A_(n+1)<A_n for n greater than some value, then it's decreasing for large enough n - which means its monotonic.
 
Focus said:
Your series is x_n=\prod_{i=1}^n \frac{i+9}{2i-1}. I'll give you a hint, \frac{i+9}{2i-1}=\frac{1}{4} \frac{19}{2i-1}.
Is there a typo in the line above? I don't see how this could be true.
Focus said:
What happens as i increases (after i=5)?

Good luck
 
Mark44 said:
Is there a typo in the line above? I don't see how this could be true.

Yeah sorry that should be\frac{i+9}{2i-1}=\frac{1}{2}+\frac{1}{4} \frac{19}{2i-1}
 
Focus said:
Yeah sorry that should be\frac{i+9}{2i-1}=\frac{1}{2}+\frac{1}{4} \frac{19}{2i-1}
I don't see that those two expressions are equal, either. On the right side you get 4i - 17 in the numerator, and 4(2i - 1) in the denominator.
 
Mark44 said:
I don't see that those two expressions are equal, either. On the right side you get 4i - 17 in the numerator, and 4(2i - 1) in the denominator.

Yeah right again I miscalculated the factor \frac{i+9}{2i-1}=\frac{1}{2}+\frac{1}{2} \frac{19}{2i-1}
 

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