Proving that H=S_4 for H subset of S_4

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The discussion revolves around proving that a subset H of the symmetric group S_4, which contains the elements (12) and (234), is equal to S_4. The context involves group theory concepts such as subgroup properties and Lagrange's Theorem.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the implications of the order of H and its closure under group operations. Questions arise regarding the reasoning behind the order of H being 2 and the necessary elements for H to be a subgroup. There is also a discussion about the application of Lagrange's Theorem and the properties of cosets.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants questioning assumptions about the order of H and its subgroup status. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to consider compositions and inverses within H, but there is no explicit consensus on the next steps or conclusions.

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There is a mention of the order of S_4 being 24 and the initial assumption about the order of H being 2. Participants are also reflecting on the properties required for H to be a subgroup, indicating some uncertainty about the definitions and implications involved.

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Suppose that H is a subset of S_4, and that H contains (12) and (234). Prove that H=S_4.

The order of S_4 is 24.
The order of H is 2.

(12)(234) = (1342) shows that the finite subset of group H is closed under the group operation, so it is a subgroup of H.

Then, using Lagrange's Theorem, |S_4:H|=24/2 = 12. so the order of H is 12 by this.

And now I am lost on how I can prove that H = S_4.
 
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math_nerd said:
The order of H is 2.
why is it 2? how about looking at compositions of the multiplications and inverses that must be contained in H for it to be a group
 
Suppose that H is a subset of S_4, and that H contains (12) and (234). Prove that H=S_4.

The order of S_4 is 24.
(12)(234) = (1342) shows that the finite subset of group H is closed under the group operation, so it is a subgroup of H.
Then, using Lagrange's Theorem, |S_4:H|=24/2 = 12. so the order of H is 12 by this.

The previous post had a mistake. Sorry about that.

Now, to show that H is a subgroup of K: look at compositions of multiplications and inverses in H for it to be a group? How do I do this? I'm sorry this probably sounds really dumb, but all I know is that, aH=Ha iff H=aHa^-1 (property of cosets). I just don't see how this is done, and whatvthat will show.
 
does is say H is a subgroup?
 

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