Proving the Binomial Coefficient Formula with Mathematical Induction

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The discussion revolves around proving the binomial coefficient formula using mathematical induction. The original poster attempts to establish the formula through induction but encounters difficulties in the inductive step, expressing a desire for a combinatorial proof to clarify the reasoning.

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  • Participants explore both mathematical induction and combinatorial reasoning. Some suggest direct counting methods, while others question the setup of the problem and the interpretation of the summation involved in the proof.

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Several participants have provided insights and alternative perspectives, including suggestions to reconsider the approach to the problem. There is an ongoing exploration of different interpretations and methods, but no consensus has been reached on a single solution path.

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Participants note the complexity of the inductive step and the potential for confusion regarding the summation terms. The original poster also mentions a lack of clarity in visualizing the combinatorial proof.

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Homework Statement


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[itex]{a \choose b} = \frac{a!}{(a-b)!b!}[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution



So I tried doing a mathematical induction proof (Show that it is true for some number, then show that if you assume it's true for 'k', it implies 'k+1')

I was able to get the initial step, to show that they are equal when k=1.

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But I'm stuck now. The math get impossibly messy and unworkable when trying to do the inductive step. If I could think of a actual situation (like choosing committees/chairmen) that could be counted either way, I could use a combinatorial proof, but I'm having trouble coming up with one.
 
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Maybe you can see it this way ( sorry, I don't have time at the moment to look it thru carefully):

You are choosing 2k+1 members out of n by selecting 2k members overall--after

the 2k members have been selected, the extra one can only be the remaining one out

of the 2k+1 , and you are selecting your 2k elements from two pools of elements

( people; people, elements, potato-potatoe) first (i=k+1) you select from k in one

group and select the others from (n-k-1) others. Hope this can get you on the

right track.

select k out of
 
hi hm8! :smile:

forget induction, you can do this directly!

the LHS is the number of ways of choosing 2k+1 objects from n

the RHS looks a lot like the number of ways of choosing 2k objects from n-1

hint: where is the missing object? and what is i ? :wink:
 
tiny-tim said:
hi hm8! :smile:

forget induction, you can do this directly!

the LHS is the number of ways of choosing 2k+1 objects from n

the RHS looks a lot like the number of ways of choosing 2k objects from n-1

hint: where is the missing object? and what is i ? :wink:

Don't you mean what am i (sorry for the horrible joke)?
 
Still not quite getting it.

I understand that the LHS is the number of ways of choosing 2k+1 objects from n -- that's straightforward enough.

I think its the summation on the RHS that's confusing me. So for each step of the summation I'm choosing k things from two groups; k from a group that has one less than i objects in it, and then k more from a group that is i objects less than n. And I see that i goes from one more than k to n minus k in the summation...so the number of thing's were summing up is (n-k)-(k+1)= n-2k-1?

I guess I'm still really not seeing it
 
hm8 said:
… So for each step of the summation I'm choosing k things from two groups; k from a group that has one less than i objects in it, and then k more from a group that is i objects less than n. And I see that i goes from one more than k to n minus k in the summation...so the number of thing's were summing up is (n-k)-(k+1)= n-2k-1?

no

the number of things we're summing is the sum of the bottom lines, ie 2k

the number of things we're summing from is the sum of the top lines, ie n-1

so, as i asked before, where is the missing one? and what is (or am) i ? :wink:
 
Another way:

You want to count the number of ways of selecting 2k+1 ,say, people, out of 2n .

Then you do this by partitioning the 2n people into groups A,B with n-k≥ |A|,|B|≥k

and |A|+|B|=n-1 . Then choose k people from each, and throw in the one left out

(|A|+|B|=n-1).
 
You want to choose 2k+1 objects from 2n. You partition the n-1 people into two groups

adding to 2k ( i.e., you leave one out) . Then you select first :

i) k from k in group 1
ii) k from (n-k-1) in group 2 ( n-k-1+k =n-1)
iii) Throw in the one you left out

And then you increase group 1 by one person and decrease group 2 by 1 on each
iteration, each group choosing k.
 

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