Proving the Contracted Epsilon Identity

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The discussion revolves around proving the contracted epsilon identity, specifically the equation \(\epsilon_{ijk} \epsilon_{imn} = \delta_{jm} \delta_{kn} - \delta_{jn} \delta_{km}\). The subject area includes tensor calculus and properties of the Levi-Civita symbol and Kronecker delta.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the Levi-Civita symbol and the Kronecker delta, with attempts to compute the left-hand side of the equation using determinants. Questions arise regarding the evaluation of repeated indices and the implications of the Kronecker delta's properties.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning assumptions, and clarifying definitions. Some guidance has been provided regarding the evaluation of terms and the implications of summing over indices, but no consensus has been reached on the final steps of the proof.

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There are discussions about the definitions of the Kronecker delta and the implications of summation over repeated indices, which may affect the interpretation of the problem. Participants also note the need to consider the conditions under which the Levi-Civita symbol is non-zero.

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Hi,

I am confused about how I arrive at the contracted epsilon identity. \epsilon_{ijk} \epsilon_{imn} = \delta_{jm} \delta_{kn} - \delta_{jn} \delta_{km}

1. Homework Statement


Show that \epsilon_{ijk} \epsilon_{imn} = \delta_{jm} \delta_{kn} - \delta_{jn} \delta_{km}

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


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From the relation between the Levi-civita symbol and the Kronecker delta, I compute \epsilon_{ijk} \epsilon_{imn} by finding the determinant of the following matrix.

\epsilon_{ijk} \epsilon_{imn} = det \left[ \begin{array}{cccc} \delta_{ii} & \delta_{im} & \delta_{in} \\ \delta_{ji} & \delta_{jm} & \delta_{jn} \\ \delta_{ki} & \delta_{km} & \delta_{kn} \end{array} \right] which yields

\epsilon_{ijk} \epsilon_{imn} = \delta_{ii} (\delta_{jm} \delta_{kn} - \delta_{jn} \delta_{km}) - \delta_{im} (\delta_{ji} \delta_{kn} - \delta_{jn} \delta_{ki}) + \delta_{in} (\delta_{ji} \delta_{km} - \delta_{jm} \delta_{ki})I am confused about how to progress.

Thanks for any help you can give.
 
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For starters, what does ## \delta_{ii} ## equal? Note that you need to sum over repeated indices.
 
Geofleur said:
For starters, what does ## \delta_{ii} ## equal? Note that you need to sum over repeated indices.

\delta_{ii} = 3

This seems to be the only repeated indice.
 
BOAS said:
Hi,

I am confused about how I arrive at the contracted epsilon identity. \epsilon_{ijk} \epsilon_{imn} = \delta_{jm} \delta_{kn} - \delta_{jn} \delta_{km}

1. Homework Statement


Show that \epsilon_{ijk} \epsilon_{imn} = \delta_{jm} \delta_{kn} - \delta_{jn} \delta_{km}

3. The Attempt at a Solution

\epsilon_{ijk} \epsilon_{imn} = \delta_{ii} (\delta_{jm} \delta_{kn} - \delta_{jn} \delta_{km}) - \delta_{im} (\delta_{ji} \delta_{kn} - \delta_{jn} \delta_{ki}) + \delta_{in} (\delta_{ji} \delta_{km} - \delta_{jm} \delta_{ki})I am confused about how to progress.

Thanks for any help you can give.

Note that your first term in the expansion: ##\delta_{ii} (\delta_{jm} \delta_{kn} - \delta_{jn} \delta_{km})## looks a lot like the final result you are looking for.
Then, the challenge should be to show that ##- \delta_{im} (\delta_{ji} \delta_{kn} - \delta_{jn} \delta_{ki}) + \delta_{in} (\delta_{ji} \delta_{km} - \delta_{jm} \delta_{ki}) = 0## in all cases. To do this, think about what must be true for any term to not be zero, and show that it implies another opposite term must also not be zero.
 
BOAS said:
\delta_{ii} = 3

This seems to be the only repeated indice.
You seem to be using a different definition of the Kronecker delta? Usually the only possible outcomes are 0 or 1.
 
RUber said:
You seem to be using a different definition of the Kronecker delta? Usually the only possible outcomes are 0 or 1.

I thought the idea was that \delta_{ii} implied the summation of \delta_{11}, \delta_{22}, and \delta_{33}, which are each respectively equal to 1.
 
That's right, ## \delta_{ii} = \delta_{11} + \delta_{22} + \delta_{33} = 3 ##. Now eliminate the ## \delta ##'s in front of the other two terms and see what happens.
 
I see. I was thinking one term at a time, rather than the sum over the terms.
In that case, I get the same result as Geofleur.
 
Geofleur said:
That's right, ## \delta_{ii} = \delta_{11} + \delta_{22} + \delta_{33} = 3 ##. Now eliminate the ## \delta ##'s in front of the other two terms and see what happens.

I am unsure of how to evaluate these deltas.

\delta_{im} = 0 unless i = m so do they both just vanish?
 
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They do vanish unless ## i = m ##. In that case, the ##\delta##'s in front become ones, and the ## i ##'s inside the parenthesized terms become ## m ##'s.
 
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Note that the ##i##'s are repeated and thus being summed over.
 
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Geofleur said:
They do vanish unless ## i = m ##. In that case, the ##\delta##'s in front become ones, and the ## i ##'s inside the parenthesized terms become ## m ##'s.

ahh, I see.

so I have that \epsilon_{ijk} \epsilon_{imn} = 3 \delta_{jm} \delta_{kn} - 3 \delta_{jn} \delta_{km} - \delta_{jm} \delta_{kn} + \delta_{jn} \delta_{km} + \delta_{jn} \delta_{km} - \delta_{jm} \delta_{kn} = \delta_{jm} \delta_{kn} - \delta_{jn} \delta_{km}

Thank you very much for your help!
 
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BOAS said:
Hi,

I am confused about how I arrive at the contracted epsilon identity. \epsilon_{ijk} \epsilon_{imn} = \delta_{jm} \delta_{kn} - \delta_{jn} \delta_{km}

1. Homework Statement


Show that \epsilon_{ijk} \epsilon_{imn} = \delta_{jm} \delta_{kn} - \delta_{jn} \delta_{km}

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


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Thanks for any help you can give.

The factor ##\epsilon_{ijk}## vanishes unless ##ijk## is a permutation of ##123##, so for any pair ##j \neq k## the required ##i## is uniquely determined. Then, for that ##i##, ##\epsilon_{imn}## vanishes unless ##mn## is a permutation of ##jk##. Thus, for a nonzero term on the left, we need either ##j = m## and ##k = n## (in which case the left-hand-side is ##(\pm1 )^2 = +1##, or ##j = n## and ##k = m## (in which case the left-hand-side is ##(-1)(+1) = -1##). That is, the nonzero values of the left-hand-side are the same as the nonzero values of ##\delta_{jm} \delta_{kn} - \delta_{jn} \delta_{km}##. The same is true of the zero values, so the two sides must be equal.
 
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