Proving the Dot Product of Orthonormal Vectors in a Matrix

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The discussion revolves around proving a relationship involving the dot product of vectors transformed by an mxn matrix with orthonormal columns. The original poster seeks to establish that the dot product of the transformed vectors equals the dot product of the original vectors.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore properties of orthonormal matrices, including their relationships with inverses and transposes. There are attempts to manipulate the expression using matrix multiplication and properties of dot products.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering insights into the properties of orthonormal matrices and questioning the assumptions about the dimensions of the matrix. Some guidance has been provided regarding the manipulation of the expressions, but there is no explicit consensus on the approach to take.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the dimensions of the matrix U, specifically that it is mxn and not necessarily invertible. This has led to discussions about the implications of this on the proof being attempted.

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Homework Statement



Let U be an mxn matrix with orthonormal columns, and let x and y be in R^n. Prove

(Ux).(Uy)=x.y

Homework Equations



I know ||Ux||^2=(Ux)^T(Ux)

The Attempt at a Solution



I just have no idea...
 
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Do you know anything about inverses of orthonormal matrices?
 
I know that if U is orthogonal then (U^T)(U)=I, and by the Invertible Matrix Theorgem U inverse = U transpose?
 
Yes, use this together with Ux = x^T U^T, matrix multiplication is associative and that x . u = x^T u.
 
Okay, I get this far:
(Ux).(Uy)=(x^T)(U^T).(y^T)(U^T)

It's like drawing blood from a stone - I get stuck at every step...
 
You did one steep too far.

(Ux)(Uy) = (x^T)(U^T)(Uy) = (x^T)[(U^T)(U)](y).

Now use what you know about (U^T)(U).
 
Inferior89 said:
Do you know anything about inverses of orthonormal matrices?

I don't think you can really do it that neatly. U is mxn, not nxn. It's not necessarily a square matrix. It doesn't necessarily have an inverse. Try working on the usual basis of R^n={e1,...,en}. U(e_i) is the ith column of U. You have to be a little more detail oriented here.
 
Oh, then we have (x^T)(y)=x.y

I didn't realize you could break up the dot product components and just multiply them together
 
Dick said:
I don't think you can really do it that neatly. U is mxn, not nxn. It's not necessarily a square matrix. It doesn't necessarily have an inverse. Try working on the usual basis of R^n={e1,...,en}. U(e_i) is the ith column of U. You have to be a little more detail oriented here.

Ah shiet. That is right.. I should have read more carefully.

To OP, What I have said so far works for orthonormal matrices but that is not what you have lol. Sorry.
 
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Inferior89 said:
Ah shiet. That is right.. I should have read more carefully.

To OP, What I have said so far works for orthonormal matrices but that is not what you have lol. Sorry.

Carry on. It's easy to fix. U(e_i).U(e_j) is 1 if i=j and zero otherwise. Because they just two different columns of U. U^T*U is still the nxn identity matrix. You just can't call it the inverse. That's all I meant to clarify. You were doing fine otherwise.
 
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