Proving the Inequality: sin(x) < x for x > 0

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The discussion revolves around proving the inequality sin(x) < x for all x > 0. Participants explore various approaches to establish this inequality, including the use of functions and graphical comparisons.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests defining a function f(x) = x - sin(x) and showing it is increasing for x > 0, but expresses uncertainty about proving the inequality holds from the start.
  • Another participant agrees that f(x) is zero at x = 0 and strictly increasing for x > 0, implying that f(x) cannot be zero or negative for x > 0.
  • A different participant proposes visualizing the inequality by comparing the graphs of y(x) = x and y(x) = sin(x).
  • Another hint is provided regarding the derivative of sin(x), noting that sin(0) = 0 and that the derivative is positive and less than 1 for 0 < x <= π/2.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the behavior of the function f(x) and its implications, but there remains uncertainty about the initial conditions needed to establish the inequality definitively.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in proving the inequality from the start, particularly regarding the limit of f(x) as x approaches 0 and the nature of equality at that point.

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Hello all,

I want to prove the following inequality.
sin(x)<x for all x>0.

Now I figured that I put a function f(x)=x-sin(x), and show that it is increasing for all x>0. But this alone doesn't prove it. I need to show we have inequality from the start. I can't show that lim f(x) as x->0 is positive cause this limit equals 0. I can show that we have equality at x=0, and only at x=0. Therefore, sin(x) <=x for all x>=0, and we only have equality at x=0. So sin(x)<x for all x>0. This doesn't seem the right way to do it though.

Thanks.
 
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nos said:
Hello all,

I want to prove the following inequality.
sin(x)<x for all x>0.

Now I figured that I put a function f(x)=x-sin(x), and show that it is increasing for all x>0. But this alone doesn't prove it. I need to show we have inequality from the start. I can't show that lim f(x) as x->0 is positive cause this limit equals 0. I can show that we have equality at x=0, and only at x=0. Therefore, sin(x) <=x for all x>=0, and we only have equality at x=0. So sin(x)<x for all x>0. This doesn't seem the right way to do it though.

No, you are correct: x - \sin x is zero at x = 0 and is thereafter strictly increasing, so x - \sin x can't be zero or negative for x &gt; 0.
 
You can visualize it comparing the graphs of ## y(x)=x## and ##y(x)=\sin{(x)}##
 
Hint: sin(0) = 0, and 0 < d(sin(x))/dx < 1 for 0 < x <= π/2 (why?).
 

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