Proving totally bounded sets are bounded.

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The discussion revolves around the proof that every totally bounded set in a metric space is bounded. The original poster seeks to identify an error in the provided proof and to illustrate this with an example in the metric space of real numbers with the Euclidean metric.

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  • Participants explore the definition of totally bounded sets and question the validity of the proof presented. They discuss the implications of the empty set in relation to total boundedness and whether it can serve as a counterexample.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants examining the nuances of the definitions involved and considering the role of the empty set in the context of total boundedness. Some guidance has been offered regarding the definitions, but no consensus has been reached on the proof's validity or the example needed.

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Participants are navigating the definitions of total boundedness and boundedness, particularly in the context of the empty set. There is uncertainty about the implications of these definitions and how they apply to the proof in question.

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Find the error in this proof and give an example in (ℝ,de) to illustrate where this proof breaks down.

Proof that every totally bounded set in a metric space is bounded.

The set S is totally bounded and can therefore be covered by finitely many balls of radius 1, say N balls of radius 1. Then S is a subset of any ball B(x,2N) provided X lies in S. Thus diam S≤4N so that S is bounded.

I can't see the fault in the proof and therefore don't know where to start when looking for an example in (ℝ,de) that illustrates how the proof breaks down.
Any suggestions?
 
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A totally bounded set is bounded. The former is a stronger property than the latter. The converse may not be true in any metric space. I am not sure what ##(R, d_e)## means.
 
What I mean by (R,de) is the set of real numbes with the euclidean metric. I understand that totally bounded is a stronger property and that a proof of this exists but I don't know what is wrong with the proof given in my first post. I'm trying to find out why this proof is sufficient.
 
I suppose it breaks down for ##S## empty...
 
That's interesting and hadn't occurred to me. Is the empty set totally bounded because it is a finite subcover of itself?
 
Would any ball cover the empty set?
 
Yes surely. But does there exists, for every r, a finite A contained in the empty set such that U{B(a,r);a in A} contains the empty set?
 
How could anything be contained in the empty set? The only thing it contains as a subset is itself.
 
Sure. So in my above message A would be the empty set then U{B(a,r): a in A} would also be the empty set and therefore A is in the empty set which is covered by U{B(a,r): a in A} . Making the empty set totally bounded?
 
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I am not sure what you are trying do. What is U{B(a, r) : a in A}? This is a union over what?

The empty set is totally bounded because of the reason given in #6, to which you said "yes surely".
 
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Ok cool.

The definition of being totally bounded that I have been given is that X is totally bounded if for every r>0 there is a finite subset of X say A such that the union of balls U{B(a,r):a in A} contains X.

So I'm just trying to get it into this form for my understanding
 
  • #12
Obviously, if A is empty, then the union is empty. And the empty set contains itself.
 

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