Proving Tr(XY) = Tr(YX) (Sakurai, p. 59, prob. 1.4)

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The problem involves proving the equality of the trace of the product of two operators, specifically Tr(XY) = Tr(YX), using the principles of bra-ket algebra. The context is rooted in quantum mechanics, as indicated by references to the work of Sakurai.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the implications of the trace definition and how it relates to the non-commutativity of operators. There are attempts to manipulate the expressions for Tr(XY) and Tr(YX) to explore their equality. Questions arise regarding the notation and the validity of certain steps in the derivation.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and suggestions for rearranging terms to clarify the proof. Some express confusion over notation and the steps taken, while others seem to find clarity in the proposed manipulations.

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There is a mention of notation issues that may hinder understanding, and one participant indicates they are preparing for a graduate course, suggesting a time constraint or urgency in grasping the material.

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Homework Statement


You know {\rm{Tr}}(XY) = \limits^{?} {\rm{Tr}}(YX), but prove it, using the rules of bra-ket algebra, sucka. (The late Sakurai does not actually call his reader "sucka").


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{\mathop{\rm Tr}\nolimits} (X) \equiv \sum\nolimits_{a&#039;} {\left\langle {a&#039;} \right|X\left| {a&#039;} \right\rangle } [/itex]<br /> <br /> XY = Z = \left\langle {a&amp;#039;&amp;#039;} \right|Z\left| {a&amp;#039;} \right\rangle = \left\langle {a&amp;#039;&amp;#039;} \right|XY\left| {a&amp;#039;} \right\rangle = \sum\nolimits_{a&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;} {\left\langle {a&amp;#039;&amp;#039;} \right|X\left| {a&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;} \right\rangle \left\langle {a&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;} \right|Y\left| {a&amp;#039;} \right\rangle }<br /> <br /> <br /> <h2>The Attempt at a Solution</h2><br /> <br /> Obviously: XY ≠ YX, but Tr(XY) = Tr(YX). Therefore: there must be something about the trace that allows for this, and not about “X” and “Y”. We are therefore prompted to consider the definition of trace:<br /> <br /> {\mathop{\rm Tr}\nolimits} (X) \equiv \sum\nolimits_{a&amp;#039;} {\left\langle {a&amp;#039;} \right|X\left| {a&amp;#039;} \right\rangle }<br /> <br /> We are also reminded of what matrix multiplication “looks like”:<br /> XY = Z = \left\langle {a&amp;#039;&amp;#039;} \right|Z\left| {a&amp;#039;} \right\rangle = \left\langle {a&amp;#039;&amp;#039;} \right|XY\left| {a&amp;#039;} \right\rangle = \sum\nolimits_{a&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;} {\left\langle {a&amp;#039;&amp;#039;} \right|X\left| {a&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;} \right\rangle \left\langle {a&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;} \right|Y\left| {a&amp;#039;} \right\rangle }<br /> <br /> So: the trace of this is the sum of the diagonal elements: I now use the First equation in &quot;relevant equations&quot; to say:<br /> {\mathop{\rm Tr}\nolimits} (XY) = {\mathop{\rm Tr}\nolimits} \left( {\sum\nolimits_{a&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;} {\left\langle {a&amp;#039;&amp;#039;} \right|X\left| {a&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;} \right\rangle \left\langle {a&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;} \right|Y\left| {a&amp;#039;} \right\rangle } } \right) = \sum\nolimits_{b&amp;#039;} {\left( {\sum\nolimits_{a&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;} {\left\langle {b&amp;#039;} \right|X\left| {a&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;} \right\rangle \left\langle {a&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;} \right|Y\left| {b&amp;#039;} \right\rangle } } \right)}<br /> <br /> Now: we calculated Tr(XY), but if I calculated Tr(YX) the same way, it seems the traces being equal would be thwarted by XY not being the same as YX.<br /> <br /> Hmmm...
 
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Take your last line and put the <b'|X|a'''> term on the right side, and flip the order of the sums.
 
chrispb said:
Take your last line and put the <b'|X|a'''> term on the right side, and flip the order of the sums.

Oh! You can flip the two <||> because <b'|X|a'''> and <a'''|Y|b'> are scalars, is that why?
 
This seems a little longer than it should be:

\mathrm{Tr}(XY) = \sum_{a&#039;}\langle a&#039;|XY|a&#039;\rangle=\sum_{a&#039;,a&#039;&#039;}\langle a&#039;|X|a&#039;&#039;\rangle\langle a&#039;&#039;|Y|a&#039;\rangle = \sum_{a&#039;,a&#039;&#039;}\langle a&#039;&#039;|Y|a&#039;\rangle\langle a&#039;|X|a&#039;&#039;\rangle=\sum_{a&#039;&#039;}\langle a&#039;&#039;|YX|a&#039;&#039;\rangle = \mathrm{Tr}(YX)

I think your biggest problem is that you use

Z\rightarrow \langle a&#039;&#039;|XY|a&#039;\rangle

and somehow you come up with

{\sum_{a&#039;&#039;&#039;} \left\langle {a&#039;&#039;} \right|X\left| {a&#039;&#039;&#039;} \right\rangle \left\langle {a&#039;&#039;&#039;} \right|Y\left| {a&#039;} \right\rangle } } = \sum_{b&#039;} {\left( {\sum\nolimits_{a&#039;&#039;&#039;} {\left\langle {b&#039;} \right|X\left| {a&#039;&#039;&#039;} \right\rangle \left\langle {a&#039;&#039;&#039;} \right|Y\left| {b&#039;} \right\rangle } } \right)}

Which doesn't seem very good notation.
 
jdwood983 said:
This seems a little longer than it should be:

\mathrm{Tr}(XY) = \sum_{a&#039;}\langle a&#039;|XY|a&#039;\rangle=\sum_{a&#039;,a&#039;&#039;}\langle a&#039;|X|a&#039;&#039;\rangle\langle a&#039;&#039;|Y|a&#039;\rangle = \sum_{a&#039;,a&#039;&#039;}\langle a&#039;&#039;|Y|a&#039;\rangle\langle a&#039;|X|a&#039;&#039;\rangle=\sum_{a&#039;&#039;}\langle a&#039;&#039;|YX|a&#039;&#039;\rangle = \mathrm{Tr}(YX)

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Which doesn't seem very good notation.

Oh, that works very nicely. Thank you. I am trying to prepare for Fall 2010's grad QM course.
 

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