Proving Triple Zero Implies Zero of P, PI, PII, and PIII

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The discussion revolves around the concept of a triple zero of a polynomial, specifically proving that if a number \( a \) is a triple zero of the polynomial \( P \), then it is also a zero of the first, second, and third derivatives of \( P \). The participants explore the implications of this definition and the necessary steps to demonstrate the claim.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss differentiating the polynomial \( P(x) \) multiple times to explore the properties of its derivatives. There is uncertainty about the implications of the derivatives and whether they lead to contradictions or confirmations of the original claim.

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Some participants have provided guidance on differentiation, while others express confusion regarding specific terms and calculations. There is an ongoing examination of the derivatives and their evaluations at \( x = a \), with some participants questioning the correctness of their approaches and assumptions.

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Participants note that the concept of a triple zero is not covered in their textbook, leading to varying levels of understanding and interpretation of the problem. There is also mention of undefined terms arising during differentiation, which contributes to the complexity of the discussion.

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The number a is called a triple zero (or a zero of multiplicity 3) of the polynomial P if:
P(x) = (x - a)3q(x) and q(a) [STRIKE]=[/STRIKE] 0.

Prove that if a is a triple zero of P, then a is a zero of P, PI, PII, and PIII(a) [STRIKE]=[/STRIKE] 0.

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I have no idea about the concept of a triple zero and it is not mentioned in the section of the textbook these questions are in... I have no idea how to even prove this... My first thought was to differentiate the equation P(x) three times and see if the requirements fit? Is this on the right track or no?
 
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Yes, just differentiate P(x) three times. That should do...
 
Okay I got all the requirements, but was wondering for the PIII(a) [STRIKE]=[/STRIKE] 0... I got it to equal 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + undefined + 0 + 0 + 0, which I think equals undefined which would not equal zero... is this correct?
 
undefined? How did you get an undefined term? I think that you made a small mistake :confused:

If you can't find it, then post the derivatives and I'll try to spot the mistake...
 
Hmmm... maybe... I used the product rule since P(x) = (x-a)3 * q(x)

PI(x) = (x-a)3 * qI(x) + q(x) * 3(x-a)2

PII(x) = [(x-a)3 * qII(x) + qI(x) * 3(x-a)2] + [q(x) * 6(x-a) + 3(x-a)2 * qI(x)]

PIII(x) = [(x-a)3 * qIII(x) + qII(x) * 3(x-a)2] + [qI(x) * 6(x-a) + 3(x-a)2 * qII(x)] + [q(x) * 6(x-a)-1 + 6(x-a) * qI(x)] + [3(x-a)2 * qII(x) + qI(x) * 6(x-a)]
 
Therefore, by plugging x = a into PIII(x) it equals
0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + undefined + 0 + 0 + 0
The undefined term comes from 6(x-a)^-1 since it equals 6/(x-a) = 6/(a-a) = 6/0
 
How did you arrive at [tex](x-a)^{-1}[/tex]. The derivative of x-a is just 1... I'm not sure why you have an exponent of -1...
 
Oh I was thinking of the formula xn becomes nxn-1 when finding the derivative... so 6(x-a) would be 6(1) and become 6 when derived? It still matched because it would still not equal zero...
 
Yes, I know it doesn't match. I don't think the third derivative equals zero anyway. So I don't think it is true what you are trying to show...
 
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The third derivative is not supposed to equal zero... the question asks to prove that... so I think your suggestion works because PIII(a) = 6q(a) and it states in the question that q(a) does not equal zero, which proves all three requirements and answers the question!
 
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Ah yes! It seems you've proved it then :cool:
 
  • #12
Yes thanks to you! Thank you very much! The help was much appreciated! :approve:
 

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