Proving the equation for the height of a cylinder

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The problem involves finding the volume of a cylindrical band removed from a sphere, requiring the formulation of an integral and a relationship between the volume and the height of the cylinder. The context is centered around geometry and calculus, particularly in relation to volumes and integrals.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the definitions of variables, particularly the radius of the cylinder and the height. There are attempts to clarify the relationship between the volume expression and the height, with some suggesting the use of geometric relationships.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants seeking to clarify variable definitions and geometric relationships. Some have provided insights into how the height relates to the dimensions of the sphere and cylinder, but no consensus has been reached on the proof of the relationship between the volume and height.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of confusion regarding variable definitions, particularly the radius of the cylinder and the height. Participants are also exploring the implications of different interpretations of the height in relation to the geometry of the problem.

Mohamed Abdul

Homework Statement


Consider a sphere of radius A from which a central cylinder of radius a (where 0 < a < A ) has been removed.
Write down a double or a triple integral (your choice) for the volume of this band, evaluate the integral, and show that the volume depends only upon the height of the band.

Homework Equations


V=pi*r^2*h

The Attempt at a Solution


I've finished all the necessary integrals and arrived at 4/3*pi*(a^2-b^2)^3/2. The answer in the textbook states that (a^2-b^2)^3/2=h^3. so that'd mean that sqrt(a^2-b^2) = h. I don't know how to prove that relationship, however, so that is my biggest problem with this question.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
What is ##b##?
 
LCKurtz said:
What is ##b##?
b is the radius of the cylinder which I am cutting out of the sphere, sorry that I didn't explain that earlier.
 
Your original statement of the problem says the radius of the cylinder is ##a##.
 
LCKurtz said:
Your original statement of the problem says the radius of the cylinder is ##a##.
I set b to be the lower boundary of r. So the final value should have really said: 4/3*pi*(A^2-a^2)^3/2, where A is the radius of the sphere and a is the cylinder radius. I just need to know how (A^2-a^2)^3/2 = h^3
 
It helps to be clear what the variables are. In your OP you stated the volume of the cylinder is ##\pi r^2 h## which implies you are using ##h## as the height of the cylinder. If that is the case, then ##\frac h 2 =\sqrt{A^2-a^2}##. But if you are using ##h## for half the height of the cylinder, then ##h =\sqrt{A^2-a^2}## which would give you your formula.
 
LCKurtz said:
It helps to be clear what the variables are. In your OP you stated the volume of the cylinder is ##\pi r^2 h## which implies you are using ##h## as the height of the cylinder. If that is the case, then ##\frac h 2 =\sqrt{A^2-a^2}##. But if you are using ##h## for half the height of the cylinder, then ##h =\sqrt{A^2-a^2}## which would give you your formula.
Wait what's the equation where you got that h equals that?Do you set the volume of the cylinder equal to something?
 
Mohamed Abdul said:
Wait what's the equation where you got that h equals that? Do you set the volume of the cylinder equal to something?
Draw a picture of the cross section of your figure and label radii and height in the figure.There's an obvious right triangle in there.
 
LCKurtz said:
Draw a picture of the cross section of your figure and label radii and height in the figure.There's an obvious right triangle in there.
I'm drawing the picture but I'm not seeing anything. I set the triangle up along the edge of the sphere and got a base of A-a, but I'm not sure of the angles to find the other side lengths.
 
  • #10
Here's a picture where ##h## is half the height of the cylinder:
pic.jpg
 

Attachments

  • pic.jpg
    pic.jpg
    4.3 KB · Views: 794
  • #11
LCKurtz said:
Here's a picture where ##h## is half the height of the cylinder:
View attachment 213500
Thank you, I understand that half the height would equal the square root of the square of the distances between A and a
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
5K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
1K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
  • · Replies 33 ·
2
Replies
33
Views
3K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
4K
Replies
4
Views
2K