Proving two functions are equal under an integral

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The discussion revolves around the conditions under which two functions, \( f(s) \) and \( g(s) \), can be considered equal based on their integrals over the interval from 0 to infinity. Participants explore the implications of the equality of these integrals and seek sufficient conditions for the equality of the functions themselves, particularly in the context of a more complex integral equation involving exponential decay factors.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions what sufficient conditions would ensure that \( f(s) = g(s) \) given that \( \int_0^\infty f(s) ds = \int_0^\infty g(s) ds \).
  • Another participant asserts that the only sufficient condition for equality of the functions is that \( f(s) = g(s) \) for all \( s \) in their domain.
  • A participant suggests restating the problem with an exponential factor, proposing that if \( \int_0^\infty e^{-\Sigma_t s} f(s) ds = \int_0^\infty e^{-\Sigma_t s} g(s) ds \) holds for any \( \Sigma_t \in [0,\infty) \), it may imply \( f(s) = g(s) \) in a limited interval.
  • This same participant notes that for large values of \( \Sigma_t \), contributions to the integrals come primarily from near zero, leading them to speculate that \( f(s) \) and \( g(s) \) might be equal in that region.
  • Another participant raises the possibility of using the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus to argue that if the functions have antiderivative expressions, their equality could imply \( f(s) = g(s) \).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions necessary for proving the equality of the functions. There is no consensus on sufficient conditions, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of the integral equality.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the functions \( f(s) \) and \( g(s) \) are well-behaved, with a finite number of discontinuities, but the implications of this characteristic on the equality of the functions are not fully explored or agreed upon.

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I have the following problem.
If
[tex]\int_0^\infty f(s)ds=\int_0^\infty g(s)ds[/tex]
What are sufficient conditions such that [tex]f(s)=g(s)[/tex]?

I know that two functions [tex]f(s),g(s)[/tex] are equal if their domain, call it [tex]S[/tex], is equal and if [tex]f(s)=g(s)[/tex] for all [tex]s\in S[/tex] but I can't figure this one out.

The full problem is actually

[tex]-\int_0^\infty\frac{d}{ds}\left(f(\vec{r}+s\hat{\Omega},E,\hat{\Omega})e^{-\Sigma_ts}\right)ds[/tex]
[tex]=\int_0^\infty\Sigma_te^{-\Sigma_ts}g(\vec{r}+s\hat{\Omega},E,\hat{\Omega})ds[/tex]
and therefore hopefully
[tex]-\frac{d}{ds}\left(f(\vec{r}+s\hat{\Omega},E,\hat{\Omega})e^{-\Sigma_ts}\right)=\Sigma_te^{-\Sigma_ts}g(\vec{r}+s\hat{\Omega},E,\hat{\Omega})[/tex]

Please help me! I'm finishing soon with my work and proving this (or at least having sufficient conditions) would be very welcome!
 
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dreNL said:
I have the following problem.
If
[tex]\int_0^\infty f(s)ds=\int_0^\infty g(s)ds[/tex]
What are sufficient conditions such that [tex]f(s)=g(s)[/tex]?l
Just knowing that the integrals over a specified interval are 0 tells you essentially nothing about f and g themselves. The only "sufficient" condition is that f(x)= g(x)!

I know that two functions [tex]f(s),g(s)[/tex] are equal if their domain, call it [tex]S[/tex], is equal and if [tex]f(s)=g(s)[/tex] for all [tex]s\in S[/tex] but I can't figure this one out.

The full problem is actually

[tex]-\int_0^\infty\frac{d}{ds}\left(f(\vec{r}+s\hat{\Omega},E,\hat{\Omega})e^{-\Sigma_ts}\right)ds[/tex]
[tex]=\int_0^\infty\Sigma_te^{-\Sigma_ts}g(\vec{r}+s\hat{\Omega},E,\hat{\Omega})ds[/tex]
and therefore hopefully
[tex]-\frac{d}{ds}\left(f(\vec{r}+s\hat{\Omega},E,\hat{\Omega})e^{-\Sigma_ts}\right)=\Sigma_te^{-\Sigma_ts}g(\vec{r}+s\hat{\Omega},E,\hat{\Omega})[/tex]

Please help me! I'm finishing soon with my work and proving this (or at least having sufficient conditions) would be very welcome!
 
Thank you HallsofIvy,

How about if I restate the problem as:
[tex]\int_0^\infty e^{-\Sigma_t s}f(s)ds=\int_0^\infty e^{-\Sigma_t s}g(s)ds[/tex]
And it should hold for any [tex]\Sigma_t \in [0,\infty)[/tex]

for very large [tex]\Sigma_t\to\infty[/tex], the only contribution is just right from zero and because the integrations over a very small interval return the same value I can imagine [tex]f(s)=g(s)[/tex] there. For slightly less large [tex]\Sigma_t[/tex] the integrations still return the same value and so forth.
This is by no means mathematical proof (as I am not a mathematician). From a physical point of view it makes some sense..
Actually, does it help if I tell you the functions [tex]f(s),g(s)[/tex] I am considering are all well behaved (finite number of discontinuities)?

As you told me I need to proove that [tex]f(s)=g(s)[/tex] for every any [tex]s\in [0,\infty)[/tex]. Is there now any hope of stating conditions for [tex]f(s),g(s)[/tex] so that I can use the above to make it plausible that [tex]f(s)=g(s)[/tex] or even give proof?
Thanks in advance
 
dreNL said:
Thank you HallsofIvy,

How about if I restate the problem as:
[tex]\int_0^\infty e^{-\Sigma_t s}f(s)ds=\int_0^\infty e^{-\Sigma_t s}g(s)ds[/tex]
And it should hold for any [tex]\Sigma_t \in [0,\infty)[/tex]

for very large [tex]\Sigma_t\to\infty[/tex], the only contribution is just right from zero and because the integrations over a very small interval return the same value I can imagine [tex]f(s)=g(s)[/tex] there. For slightly less large [tex]\Sigma_t[/tex] the integrations still return the same value and so forth.
This is by no means mathematical proof (as I am not a mathematician). From a physical point of view it makes some sense..
Actually, does it help if I tell you the functions [tex]f(s),g(s)[/tex] I am considering are all well behaved (finite number of discontinuities)?

As you told me I need to proove that [tex]f(s)=g(s)[/tex] for every any [tex]s\in [0,\infty)[/tex]. Is there now any hope of stating conditions for [tex]f(s),g(s)[/tex] so that I can use the above to make it plausible that [tex]f(s)=g(s)[/tex] or even give proof?
Thanks in advance

Could you possibly use the FTC to show that if these functions had antiderivate expressions then based on these expressions the only possible way for these representations to equate is for the appropriate antiderivative expressions be equal and hence the expression f(s) = g(s)?
 

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