Proving Uniform Convergence of f_n(x) in [a,b]

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The discussion centers on proving the uniform convergence of the sequence of functions \( f_n(x) = n[f(x + \frac{1}{n}) - f(x)] \) on the interval \([a, b]\), where \( f(x) \) and \( f'(x) \) are continuous for all \( x \in \mathbb{R} \). Participants emphasize the importance of using the compactness of the interval \([a, b]\) and the continuity of \( f_n(x) \) to establish uniform convergence. Key techniques mentioned include the Weierstrass theorem, the limit comparison test, and the Cauchy criterion for uniform convergence. The discussion highlights the necessity of rigorous proofs and the potential pitfalls of omitting technical details.

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  • #31
estro said:
\mbox {Let } \epsilon<0,\ x_0 \in [a,b]

\lim_{n\rightarrow\infty} f_n(x)=f'(x)\ \Rightarrow\ \forall\ n>N\ |f_n(x_0)-f'(x_0)|< \frac {\epsilon}{3} \mbox { (*1)}

f_n(x) \mbox { is continuous in R } \Rightarrow\ \forall\ |x-x_0|< \delta_n,\ |f_n(x)-f_n(x_0)|< \frac {\epsilon}{3} \mbox { (*2)}

f'(x) \mbox { is continuous in R } \Rightarrow\ \forall\ |x-x_0|< \delta,\ |f'(x_0)-f'(x)|< \frac {\epsilon}{3} \mbox { (*3)}

t_n=\min \{\delta_n, \delta \} \Rightarrow\ \mbox {(*1) and (*2) and (*3) } \Rightarrow\ \forall\ |x-x_0|< t_n

|f_n(x)-f'(x)|=|f_n(x)-f_n(x_0)+f_n(x_0)-f'(x_0)+f'(x_0)-f'(x)| \leq |f_n(x)-f_n(x_0)|+|f_n(x_0)-f'(x_0)|+|f'(x_0)-f'(x)|< \frac {\epsilon}{3}+\frac {\epsilon}{3}+\frac {\epsilon}{3}<\epsilon

I have hard time to get sound intuition about this because the neighborhood around x is not fixed [changes for every n], and this makes me uncomfortable.




Now I'm trying to think about this. I'm not familiar with compactness theorem. [But I think Weierstrass Theorem can also help]

I have an idea now to play with t_n= \{x\ |\ \max_{[a,b]} |f_n(x)-f'(x)|\}, like I did with \mbox {x_0} in the above proof.

You are absolutely right to be worried about the n dependence. Suppose you could show |f_n(x)-f_n(y)|<=M*|x-y| for some constant M, independent of n. Would that help?
 
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  • #32
\mbox {Let } \epsilon&lt;0,\ \ x_1,x_2 \in [a,b]

\lim_{n\rightarrow\infty} f_n(x)=f&#039;(x)\ \ \ (*1)

(*1)\ \Rightarrow\ \forall\ n&gt;N_1\ \ |f_n(x_1)-f&#039;(x_1)|&lt; \frac {\epsilon}{3}\ \ \ (*2)

(*1)\ \Rightarrow\ \forall\ n&gt;N_2\ \ |f&#039;(x_2)-f_n(x_2)|&lt; \frac {\epsilon}{3}\ \ \ (*3)f&#039;(x) \mbox{ is continuous in R } \Rightarrow\ \forall\ \ |x_1-x_2|&lt;\delta\ \ |f&#039;(x_1)-f&#039;(x_2)|&lt; \frac {\epsilon}{3}\ \ \ (*4)\mbox{(*2) and (*3) and (*4) } \Rightarrow\ \forall\ \ |x_1-x_2|&lt;\delta\ and\ \forall\ n &gt; N= \max\{ N_1,N_2 \}

|f_n(x_1)-f_n(x_1)|=|f_n(x_1)-f&#039;(x_1)+f&#039;(x_1)-f&#039;(x_2)+f&#039;(x_2)-f_n(x_2)| \leq |f_n(x_1)-f&#039;(x_1)|+|f&#039;(x_1)-f&#039;(x_2)|+|f&#039;(x_2)-f_n(x_2)|&lt;\epsilonI'm almost sure this proof is right, but I only proved that f_n(x) is uniformly convergent on every open interval around some x in [a,b].

I'm thinking now to do what I did in the above proof with: x_1 = where f'(x) gets its maximum and x_2=where f'(x) gets its minimum.
 
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  • #33
Sorry, I'm not going to buy that. I don't think you've proved anything. What you have proved is that i) you really don't understand the issue and ii) that you are pretty good at ignoring good advice. |f_n(x)-f_n(y)|<=M*|x-y| for some constant M, independent of n. That is what you really need. Wouldn't that be helpful? Would you know how to prove it if you had to?
 
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