Proving Uniform Convergence of f_n(x) in [a,b]

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The discussion revolves around proving the uniform convergence of the sequence of functions \( f_n(x) = n[f(x + \frac{1}{n}) - f(x)] \) on the interval \([a, b]\), given that \( f(x) \) and its derivative \( f'(x) \) are continuous for all \( x \in \mathbb{R} \). Participants explore the implications of compactness of the interval and the continuity of \( f_n(x) \) in their reasoning.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the pointwise convergence of \( f_n(x) \) to \( f'(x) \) and the necessity of demonstrating uniform convergence. There are mentions of using the Weierstrass theorem and the compactness of the interval. Some express concerns about missing technical details and the implications of continuity.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on each other's reasoning. Some have offered guidance on the importance of rigor in proofs, while others are exploring the implications of continuity and compactness. There is no explicit consensus, but various interpretations and approaches are being examined.

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Participants note the importance of addressing the compactness of the interval \([a, b]\) and the continuity of \( f_n(x) \). There are concerns about the technical details that may have been omitted, which could affect the validity of the proof. The discussion also touches on the need for a rigorous approach to demonstrate uniform convergence.

  • #31
estro said:
\mbox {Let } \epsilon<0,\ x_0 \in [a,b]

\lim_{n\rightarrow\infty} f_n(x)=f'(x)\ \Rightarrow\ \forall\ n>N\ |f_n(x_0)-f'(x_0)|< \frac {\epsilon}{3} \mbox { (*1)}

f_n(x) \mbox { is continuous in R } \Rightarrow\ \forall\ |x-x_0|< \delta_n,\ |f_n(x)-f_n(x_0)|< \frac {\epsilon}{3} \mbox { (*2)}

f'(x) \mbox { is continuous in R } \Rightarrow\ \forall\ |x-x_0|< \delta,\ |f'(x_0)-f'(x)|< \frac {\epsilon}{3} \mbox { (*3)}

t_n=\min \{\delta_n, \delta \} \Rightarrow\ \mbox {(*1) and (*2) and (*3) } \Rightarrow\ \forall\ |x-x_0|< t_n

|f_n(x)-f'(x)|=|f_n(x)-f_n(x_0)+f_n(x_0)-f'(x_0)+f'(x_0)-f'(x)| \leq |f_n(x)-f_n(x_0)|+|f_n(x_0)-f'(x_0)|+|f'(x_0)-f'(x)|< \frac {\epsilon}{3}+\frac {\epsilon}{3}+\frac {\epsilon}{3}<\epsilon

I have hard time to get sound intuition about this because the neighborhood around x is not fixed [changes for every n], and this makes me uncomfortable.




Now I'm trying to think about this. I'm not familiar with compactness theorem. [But I think Weierstrass Theorem can also help]

I have an idea now to play with t_n= \{x\ |\ \max_{[a,b]} |f_n(x)-f'(x)|\}, like I did with \mbox {x_0} in the above proof.

You are absolutely right to be worried about the n dependence. Suppose you could show |f_n(x)-f_n(y)|<=M*|x-y| for some constant M, independent of n. Would that help?
 
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  • #32
\mbox {Let } \epsilon&lt;0,\ \ x_1,x_2 \in [a,b]

\lim_{n\rightarrow\infty} f_n(x)=f&#039;(x)\ \ \ (*1)

(*1)\ \Rightarrow\ \forall\ n&gt;N_1\ \ |f_n(x_1)-f&#039;(x_1)|&lt; \frac {\epsilon}{3}\ \ \ (*2)

(*1)\ \Rightarrow\ \forall\ n&gt;N_2\ \ |f&#039;(x_2)-f_n(x_2)|&lt; \frac {\epsilon}{3}\ \ \ (*3)f&#039;(x) \mbox{ is continuous in R } \Rightarrow\ \forall\ \ |x_1-x_2|&lt;\delta\ \ |f&#039;(x_1)-f&#039;(x_2)|&lt; \frac {\epsilon}{3}\ \ \ (*4)\mbox{(*2) and (*3) and (*4) } \Rightarrow\ \forall\ \ |x_1-x_2|&lt;\delta\ and\ \forall\ n &gt; N= \max\{ N_1,N_2 \}

|f_n(x_1)-f_n(x_1)|=|f_n(x_1)-f&#039;(x_1)+f&#039;(x_1)-f&#039;(x_2)+f&#039;(x_2)-f_n(x_2)| \leq |f_n(x_1)-f&#039;(x_1)|+|f&#039;(x_1)-f&#039;(x_2)|+|f&#039;(x_2)-f_n(x_2)|&lt;\epsilonI'm almost sure this proof is right, but I only proved that f_n(x) is uniformly convergent on every open interval around some x in [a,b].

I'm thinking now to do what I did in the above proof with: x_1 = where f'(x) gets its maximum and x_2=where f'(x) gets its minimum.
 
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  • #33
Sorry, I'm not going to buy that. I don't think you've proved anything. What you have proved is that i) you really don't understand the issue and ii) that you are pretty good at ignoring good advice. |f_n(x)-f_n(y)|<=M*|x-y| for some constant M, independent of n. That is what you really need. Wouldn't that be helpful? Would you know how to prove it if you had to?
 
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