Proving vector calculus identities w/ tensor notation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around proving a vector calculus identity using tensor notation. The specific identity in question is $$\vec{\nabla}(fg)=f\vec{\nabla}{g}+g\vec{\nabla}{f}$$. Participants explore the application of vector notation and the product rule in the context of this identity.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant begins by expressing difficulty in progressing from the left side of the identity, questioning whether to start with the right side instead.
  • Another participant suggests applying the product rule to the x component of the identity, indicating a potential method to proceed with the proof.
  • A participant expresses surprise at the simplicity of the suggested approach, indicating a shift in their understanding.
  • One participant prefers using "big D" notation for clarity and demonstrates how to express the identity using this notation, showing step-by-step how the identity holds true.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to have reached a consensus on the best approach to prove the identity, as some are exploring different notations and methods without resolving the overall proof.

Contextual Notes

There is an implicit assumption that participants are familiar with vector calculus and the product rule, but specific definitions or prior knowledge are not explicitly stated. The discussion does not resolve the proof but explores various approaches.

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I have an vector calculus identity to prove and I need to use vector notation to do it. The identity is $$\vec{\nabla}(fg)=f\vec{\nabla}{g}+g\vec{\nabla}{f}$$ I tried starting with the left side by writing $\vec{\nabla}(fg)=\nabla_j(fg)$. Now I look and that and it really looks like there is nowhere I can go from there. Is there something I am unaware of that you can do with those scalar functions \(f\) and \(g\)? Or would it be a better idea to start this proof with the right side of the identity?
 
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skatenerd said:
I have an vector calculus identity to prove and I need to use vector notation to do it. The identity is $$\vec{\nabla}(fg)=f\vec{\nabla}{g}+g\vec{\nabla}{f}$$ I tried starting with the left side by writing $\vec{\nabla}(fg)=\nabla_j(fg)$. Now I look and that and it really looks like there is nowhere I can go from there. Is there something I am unaware of that you can do with those scalar functions \(f\) and \(g\)? Or would it be a better idea to start this proof with the right side of the identity?

Hi skatenerd! :)

Let's take a look at the first component which is the x component.
$$\nabla_1(fg) = \frac{\partial}{\partial x}(f \cdot g)$$
Can you apply the product rule to that?Btw, I have moved your thread to the sub forum Calculus, which covers this topic.
 
I guess I was expecting it to be more complicated than that...haha thank you
 
I am fond of the "big D" notation, which seems easier to read to me.

In this notation, we have:

$\nabla(fg) = (D_1(fg),D_2(fg),D_3(fg))$

$= (fD_1g + gD_1f,fD_2g + gD_2f,fD_3g + gD_3f)$

$= (fD_1g,fD_2g,fD_3g) + (gD_1f,gD_2f,gD_3f)$

$=f(D_1g,D_2g,D_3g) + g(D_1f,D_2f,D_3f) = f\nabla g + g\nabla f$
 

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