Pulling forces together (Load Testing)

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The discussion revolves around the mechanics of load testing a lifting lug that is welded to the ceiling, specifically focusing on the forces involved when applying a 5-tonne pull using a chain block and web sling. Participants explore the implications of tension balance and certification of lifting lugs under load testing conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if nothing moves during the load test, the tensions are balanced, resulting in equal forces acting on both the ceiling and the floor, each experiencing a pull of 5 tonnes.
  • Others argue that the certified load is always less than the test load, suggesting that while the test may be conducted at 5 tonnes, the actual certified load would be lower due to safety factors.
  • A participant questions whether testing the chain block to 5 tonnes effectively tests both lugs to 5 tonnes or only to 2.5 tonnes each.
  • Another participant asserts that if the test holds at 5 tonnes, then both the floor and ceiling connections are indeed tested to 5 tonnes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the load test results and the relationship between test loads and certified loads. There is no consensus on whether the lugs are certified to lift 5 tonnes or if they are effectively tested to a lower value.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the accuracy of load indicators for chain winches and the potential discrepancies in certification processes, indicating that the discussion may depend on specific definitions and assumptions regarding load testing standards.

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Hello,

Here's my question:

When load testing a lifting lug that is welded to the ceiling, placing it under 5 tonnes of pull, using a chain block to tension and a web sling that is attached to the floor directly below, are you:
A) Pulling 5 tonne down from the lug and 5 tonne up from the floor
B) 2.5 tonne down from the lug and 2.5 tone up from the floor
C) Anything else?

Diagram

_____________________CEILING
Lug ----> ρ
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|
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* 5 tonne pull *
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__________ρ__________ FLOOR
 
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steviewinter said:
Hello,

Here's my question:

When load testing a lifting lug that is welded to the ceiling, placing it under 5 tonnes of pull, using a chain block to tension and a web sling that is attached to the floor directly below, are you:
A) Pulling 5 tonne down from the lug and 5 tonne up from the floor
B) 2.5 tonne down from the lug and 2.5 tone up from the floor
C) Anything else?

Diagram

_____________________CEILING
Lug ----> ρ
|
|
|
* 5 tonne pull *
|
|
|
__________ρ__________ FLOOR
It depends on what moves. If nothing moves, all tensions are balanced so everything is being pulled in the opposite directions by equal forces. So the ceiling is pulling the floor up and the floor is pulling the ceiling down, each using 5,000 x 9.8 Newtons of force, and the building structure is pulling down on the floor and up on the ceiling to balance the tension between the floor and ceiling with the same force.

AM
 
Nothing moves, the tension is balanced with a chain block pulling 5tonne in the middle. So could you say that both lugs are certified to lift 5 tonne?
 
The certified load is always less than the test load.

That is you can work at the certified load indefinitely (until the next test) but the actual test is conducted at a higher load. This builds a safety factor into the certification process.

The accuracy of load indicators for chain winches are less than the accuracy achievable by hanging weights from your lug and may not be accurate enough to allow certification.
 
I see, so could you tell me, if i tensioned the chain block to 5 tonne on the load test indicator did i, in effect;

Test both lugs to 5 tonnes
or ,
Test them each to 2.5 tonne?
 
If the test held at 5 tonnes then both floor and ceiling connections were tested to 5 tonnes.
 
Thank you very much!
 

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