Q4 - Arithmetic and Geometric series

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The discussion centers around solving for the first term and common ratio of a geometric sequence given that the sum of its first three terms equals 26. The relationship between the geometric and arithmetic sequences is established, with the arithmetic sequence defined by modified terms of the geometric sequence. A key equation derived is that the middle term of the arithmetic sequence is the average of the other two terms. Participants express difficulty in progressing from the established equations and seek further hints to resolve the problem effectively. The conversation highlights the interconnectedness of geometric and arithmetic sequences in mathematical problem-solving.
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Homework Statement



Let a1, a2, a3 denote the first three terms of a geometrical sequence, for which a1 + a2 + a3 = 26.

a1 + 3, a2 + 4, a3 - 3 are the first three terms of an arithmetical sequence.

Find the first term and the common quotient (ratio) of the geometrical sequence!

Homework Equations



Arithmetical sequences:

an = a1 + (n-1)d
Sn = (n/2)(a1 + an)

Geometric sequences:

an = a1rn-1
Sn = a1 * ((r-1n)/(r-1))

The Attempt at a Solution



By taking the sum of the given arithmetical sequence:

(a1 + a2 + a3) + 3 + 4 -3 = 26 +4 = 30

We know that:

Sn = (n/2)(a1 + an)
30 = (3/2)(a1 + 3 + a3 - 3) > (3/2)(a1 + a3)
30 = (3/2)(20)

Thus a1 + a3 = 20

Because of the given

a1 + a2 + a3 = 26

This implies

(a1 + a3) + a2 = 26
20 + a2 = 26
a2 = 6

Now, I found the second term of each sequence, however, I do not know how to go forward from this point. The four functions given for arithmetic and geometric sequences do not seem to help me any further because there are always two unknown variables!
 
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You do not need the sum of the arithmetic sequence, but it might be useful that the middle term is the arithmetic mean of the neighbours.

ehild
 
I might be missing some important understandig about the mean, but I cannot resolve the problem any further with the help of this hint. I have been breaking my head over it a while longer, but do not see where this fits in.

Could you perhaps provide me with another hint? Thanks!
 
In other words, the middle term of the arithmetic sequence, a2 + 4, is the average of the two other terms a1 + 3 and a3 - 3.


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You know that the first three terms of the geometric sequence is a1, a1r, a1r2, and their sum is 26:

a1+a1r+a1r2=26. *

There is the arithmetical sequence, with first term

b1=a1+3,

second term

b2=a2+4=a1r+4,

and third term

b3=a3-3=a1r2-3.

By definition,

b2-b1=b3-b2, which is equivalent by

b3+b1=2b2

so

a1+3+a1r2-3=2(a1r+4). **

You have two unknowns (a1 and r) and two equations. Solve.
 
Now I got the following problem. I tried to use the logical steps you provided in the previous problem but I think I am missing something.

Problem
The sum of the first three terms of a geometrical sequence is 26 and their product is 216. Find the sum of the first four terms!

so we have

a + ar + ar2 = 26
a * ar * ar2 = 216

where a is the first term

we can get r in terms of a by putting

a = 26 * ((1-r)/1-r2))

Now it is possible to solve the equation

a3r3 = 216 by putting the value we found for a

However, this results in a very long and tiresome caclulation ending up with the following:

2170r6 - 6591r5 + 6510r4 - 2197r3 - 81r2 + 27 = 0

I suppose I could solve this equation with synthetic division and then checking for which values the original equations holld, but I feel I got on the wrong track real soon here. Help greatly appreciated.

Cheers,
 
ExamFever said:
so we have

a + ar + ar2 = 26
a * ar * ar2 = 216

You made a mistake: a = 26 * ((1-r)/1-r^3)). But it is better to keep the first equation in the original form and start with the second one.

The problem is not that terrible, as you can take the cubic root of the second equation: ar=6

ehild
 
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