Qualitative understanding of Maxwell's addition

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The discussion centers on the qualitative understanding of how a moving electric field creates a magnetic field and vice versa, as described by Maxwell's equations. Participants explore the implications of these equations in various contexts, including theoretical and practical applications.

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  • One participant requests a qualitative understanding of the relationship between moving electric and magnetic fields as per Maxwell's equations.
  • Another participant suggests a resource that may provide helpful insights into Maxwell's equations.
  • A participant clarifies a potential misunderstanding regarding the terminology used in the discussion, specifically about the creation of a magnetic field versus an electric field.
  • A later reply elaborates on the application of Ampere's law, discussing how it traditionally relates to the magnetic field produced by a current-carrying wire and introduces the concept of displacement current to account for changing electric fields in scenarios like capacitors.
  • The explanation includes mathematical formulations of Ampere's law and the modifications introduced by Maxwell, emphasizing the need to consider both conduction and displacement currents for consistency in calculations.

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Can somebody please give me a qualitative understanding of how a moving electric field creates a magnetic field and vice versa per maxwells equations? Thanks!
 
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Perhaps http://ocw.mit.edu/resources/res-tll-004-stem-concept-videos-fall-2013/videos/governing-rules/maxwell2019s-equations/ can help?
 
Isaac0427 said:
how a moving electric field creates an electric field
Did you perhaps mean to write "magnetic field" instead of the second "electric field"?
 
jtbell said:
Did you perhaps mean to write "magnetic field" instead of the second "electric field"?
Yea, let me edit that.
 
OK, I'm going to assume you've seen simple applications of Ampere's law without the Maxwell "addition", for finding e.g. the magnetic field produced by straight wire. We define an "Amperian loop", integrate B around it, and relate that to the current "enclosed" by the loop: $$\oint {\vec B \cdot d \vec l} = \mu_0 I$$ More precisely, to get the "enclosed" current, we define a surface whose boundary is the loop, and integrate the current density over that surface: $$\oint {\vec B \cdot d \vec l} = \mu_0 \int {\vec J \cdot d \vec a}$$ In a steady-state situation (magnetostatics) it doesn't matter what shape the surface is, so long as it doesn't have any "holes" in it. We get the same current through it regardless of the shape, and the same B field around the boundary.

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Now suppose we put a capacitor in the circuit.

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No current actually passes through the surface any more! Instead we have an E field whose magnitude changes as the current dumps charge on one plate and removes it from the other. If we use only the current through the surface to calculate the B field, we get different results depending on the shape of the surface, i.e. whether the current actually "pierces" the surface or not. No good!

We can restore the consistency if we assume that the time-varying flux of E through the surface also contributes to the calculation. Define a new "displacement current" $$I_\textrm{d} = \varepsilon_0 \frac {\partial}{\partial t} \int {\vec E \cdot d \vec a}$$ and add it to the normal "conduction current": $$\oint {\vec B \cdot d \vec l} = \mu_0 (I + I_d)$$ Substituting the definitions of the I's we get the full Ampere-Maxwell law in integral form: $$\oint {\vec B \cdot d \vec l} = \mu_0 \int {\vec J \cdot d \vec a} + \mu_0 \varepsilon_0 \frac {\partial}{\partial t} \int {\vec E \cdot d \vec a}$$ Or in differential form: $$\vec \nabla \times \vec B = \mu_0 \vec J + \mu_0 \varepsilon_0 \frac {\partial \vec E}{\partial t}$$
 

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