Quality of an oscillating electron

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The discussion focuses on calculating the quality factor (Q) of an oscillating electron, starting from its initial potential energy and deriving the energy dissipated after one cycle. The calculations lead to a formula for Q, which initially appears to differ from the answer provided in a reference book. Upon further analysis, it is revealed that the discrepancy arises from differences in the definitions of constants used by Feynman and French. The conclusion indicates that French's result for Q is half of the correct value, aligning with Feynman's established formula. This highlights the importance of consistent definitions in physics calculations.
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This problem is 3-16b) from French, Vibrations and Waves.

According to classical electromagnetic theory an accelerated electron radiates energy at the rate

K = (Ke^2 a^2)/(c^3)

where K = 6 × 10^9 N m^2/C^2, e = electronic charge (C), a = instantaneous acceleration (m/s^2), and c = speed of light (m/s).

b) What is the Q of the oscillator?
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It was found in part a) that in one cycle, the oscillator radiates

ΔE = (8Ke^2 π^4 ν^3 A^2)/(c^3)

away, where A is the amplitude of the oscillator and ν is its frequency, in Hz. Also,

Q = (ω_o)/(γ)
E(t) = E_o e^(-γt)
ω_o = 2πν
The oscillator's initial energy can be found by considering when all of its energy is potential energy.

Eo = (1/2)kA2 = (1/2)mω2A2 = (1/2)me(2πν)2A2 = 2meπ2ν2A2

where me is the mass of an electron. With this in mind, the energy dissipated after one cycle is given by

ΔE = E(0) - E(1/ν) = Eo - Eoe-γ/ν = Eo(1 - e-γ/ν)

Solving for γ, we see that

ΔE/Eo = 1 - e-γ/ν

1 - ΔE/Eo = e-γ/ν

-γ/ν = ln(1 - ΔE/Eo)

Assuming that ΔE/Eo is very small, we can make the very good approximation

-γ/ν = ln(1 - ΔE/Eo) ≈ -ΔE/Eo

Thus

γ = νΔE/Eo = ν * (8K2e2π4ν3A2)/(c3) * (1)/(2meπ2ν2A2) = (4Ke2π2ν2)/(mec3)

Calculating Q, finally,

Q = ωo/γ = 2πν/γ = 2πν * (mec3)/(4Ke2π2ν2) = (mec3)/(2πνKe2)

However, the answer in the back of the book says

Q = (mec3)/(4πνKe2)

I cannot figure out where the error in my work is.
 
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I don't see any mistakes in your work. It looks to me like your result for ##Q## agrees with Feynman's result ##Q = \large \frac{3 \lambda mc^2}{4 \pi e^2}## given in formula (32.10) of Vol. I of his lectures.

Here it is important to note that Feynman uses ##e^2## to denote ##q^2/(4\pi \epsilon_0)##, where ##q## is the value of the charge in Coulombs. ##\lambda## is the wavelength of the radiation. French's constant ##K## is equal to ##1/(6 \pi \epsilon_0)## as you can see if you compare French's expression for the radiated power with the first formula given here.

Thus, starting with Feynman's expression for Q and replacing ##e^2## by ##e^2/(4 \pi \epsilon_0)##, replacing ##\lambda## by ##c/\nu##, and replacing ##\epsilon_0## by ##1/(6 \pi K)## you get your result. So, it appears that French's result is half of the correct result.
 
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