Quantum Harmonic oscillator, <T>/<V> ratio

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The problem involves a quantum harmonic oscillator where an electron is confined in a one-dimensional harmonic potential. The initial state of the electron is expressed as a superposition of two wave functions, and the task includes expressing the momentum operator in terms of ladder operators and finding the ratio of expectation values of kinetic and potential energies over time.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the expression of the momentum operator and its implications for calculating expectation values. There is an attempt to derive the ratio of kinetic to potential energy and a question about the correctness of a sign in the calculations. Some participants express uncertainty about the interpretation of expectation values in this context.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the calculations related to the kinetic and potential energy ratios. Some participants have identified potential errors in the sign of the kinetic energy expression, and there is a suggestion that the ratio may be consistently equal to one. However, the discussion remains open, with no explicit consensus reached.

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Participants are working within the constraints of the problem as posed, focusing on the mathematical expressions and their implications without additional context or external references. The nature of expectation values and their visualization is also under discussion.

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Homework Statement


Consider an electron confined by a 1 dimensional harmonic potential given by ## V(x) = \dfrac{1}{2} m \omega^2 x^2##. At time t=0 the electron is prepared in the state

\Psi (x,0) = \dfrac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \psi_0 (x) + \dfrac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \psi_4 (x)

with ## \psi_n (x) = \left( \dfrac{m \omega}{\pi \hbar}\right)^{0.25} \dfrac{1}{\sqrt{2^n n!}} H_n \left( \sqrt{\dfrac{m \omega}{\hbar}}x \right) exp \left( - \dfrac{m \omega}{2 \hbar} x^2 \right) ##

the normalised solutions to the time independent Schrödinger equation, with ##H_n## being the Hermite Polynomials.

(a) Express the square of the momentum operator as ladder operators.
(b) Give the ratio of the expectation values of the kinetic and potential energies as a function of time.

Homework Equations



## \hat{x} = \sqrt{\dfrac{\hbar}{2m \omega}} (a_+ + a_-) ##

## \hat{p} = i \sqrt{\dfrac{\hbar m \omega}{2}} (a_+ - a_-) ##

The Attempt at a Solution



For the first one I got:

\hat{p}^2 = \left[ i \sqrt{\dfrac{\hbar m \omega}{2}} (a_+ - a_-) \right]^2 = -\dfrac{\hbar m \omega}{2} (a_+a_+ - a_-a_+ - a_+ a_- + a_-a_-)For the second one, I attempted it using the operators
[T = kinetic energy, V = potential energy]

\displaystyle &lt;T&gt; = &lt; \dfrac{\hat{p}}{2m} &gt; = \int \Psi^* \left[ \dfrac{\hbar \omega}{4} (a_+a_+ - a_-a_+ - a_+ a_- + a_-a_-) \right] \Psi dx

\displaystyle &lt;V&gt; = &lt;0.5 \omega ^2 \hat{x}^2&gt; = \int \Psi^* \left[ \dfrac{\hbar \omega}{4} (a_+a_+ + a_-a_+ + a_+ a_- + a_-a_-) \right] \Psi dxNow each of them will split into 4 integrals. The a+a+ and a-a- operator integrals will evaluate to zero because of its orthogonality properties. That leaves us with:

\displaystyle &lt;T&gt; = \int \Psi^* \left[ \dfrac{\hbar \omega}{4} (- a_-a_+ - a_+ a_-) \right] \Psi dx

\displaystyle &lt;V&gt; = \int \Psi^* \left[ \dfrac{\hbar \omega}{4} (a_-a_+ + a_+ a_-) \right] \Psi dxThat'll mean those terms disappear, and then... we end up with -1 as a ratio?? What did I do wrong?
 
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Cogswell said:
\displaystyle &lt;T&gt; = &lt; \dfrac{\hat{p}}{2m} &gt; = \int \Psi^* \left[ \dfrac{\hbar \omega}{4} (a_+a_+ - a_-a_+ - a_+ a_- + a_-a_-) \right] \Psi dx

Did you drop a minus sign when substituting for ##\hat{p}##2?
 
Seems to me you forgot a minus sing in ## \langle T \rangle ##
 
Oh right, yea there should be a negative there.

That just gives me 1 as the ratio, and it's independent of time.

Does that mean that the ratio of kinetic energy to potential energy, no matter when it is, is always 1?
 
Well, the expectation value of T equals the expectation value of V at any time. The values of T and V themselves are uncertain.
 
TSny said:
Well, the expectation value of T equals the expectation value of V at any time. The values of T and V themselves are uncertain.

Hmm, interesting. I cannot really visualise expectation values so it's sort of hard.

So in a simple harmonic oscillator, I'm guessing the kinetic energy is sort of like a normal distribution, peaked at the center. Therefore the expectation value is at the middle.
The potential energy is at both sides equally, and so its expectation value is in the middle as well.
I guess that makes sense.
 

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