Quantum Harmonic Oscillator - What is the Temperature of the system?

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The discussion revolves around a quantum mechanical harmonic oscillator placed in an environment at a specific temperature. The original poster seeks to determine the temperature of the system in relation to its Einstein-temperature, given its mean excitation energy.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to use the partition function to derive the temperature but encounters difficulties in isolating the variable β. Some participants discuss the relationship between β and temperature, while others explore the mathematical expressions for energy and their derivatives.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the mathematical framework, offering different interpretations of the equations involved. There is a recognition of the need to numerically solve for β, and some guidance is provided on how to approach this, though no consensus on a specific method has been reached.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of confusion regarding the application of derivatives and the proper formulation of the energy equations. Participants also note potential mistakes in calculations and the need for careful verification of steps taken.

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Homework Statement



A quantum mechanical harmonic oscillator with resonance frequency ω is placed in an environment at temperature T. Its mean excitation energy (above the ground state energy) is 0.3ħω.
Determine the temperature of this system in units of its Einstein-temperature ΘE = ħω/kB

Homework Equations



Partition-Function= E= -δ/δβ ln[Z(β)]

The Attempt at a Solution



I have used the Partiton-Function, E= -δ/δβ ln[Z(β)] = -δ/δβ ln[(x^1/2)/1-x]
.where x= exp^(ħω/2)

E= -[δ/δβ ln(exp^-ħωβ / 1-exp^-ħωβ] = Eo - exp^-ħωβ / -1 + exp^-ħωβ
. where Eo= ħω/2

E= Eo + εħω
.where ε = 0.3ħω


I need find β in order to work out the temperatureof the system but stuck at this point. Really appreciate if some one can guide me in the right direction.
 
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β = 1/(Kb*T)

where Kb is bolzmann's constant.
 
MaxL yes I know β= 1/kBT and have substituted β intentionally but what I am asking is how can i get a numerical value for β to work out the temperature? or do i need to? I'm just confused

thanks
 
When I did this, I got

<br /> E=\frac{\partial}{\partial \beta}\ln[z]=\frac{1}{2}\hbar\omega\coth[\beta\hbar\omega]<br />

which looks pretty similar to what you have (you didn't take your exponentials to the hyperbolic functions).

Since you know that E=\frac{1}{2}\hbar\omega+0.3\hbar\omega, you can stick that into the equation and solve for \beta:

<br /> \frac{1}{2}\hbar\omega+0.3\hbar\omega=\frac{1}{2}\hbar\omega\coth[\beta\hbar\omega]<br />
 
Sorry! I didn't mean to be condescending, I just read the question too fast.

Okay, so what you're ultimately after is an answer that looks like T=Teinstein*(Some number). It's pretty easy to show that Teinstein=ħωβ*T, so what you really need is to numerically determine ħωβ. You could get that using a calculator or mathematica to numerically solve an equation like the one jdwood just dropped.

Although, jdwood, I did not get that same equation. I think you may have made a chain rule mistake.
 
Hmm...I'll double check my work, but I'm pretty sure that when you take the derivative with respect to \beta, you get an exponential in the numerator and a 1-exp[\beta\hbar\omega] which can be reduced to the hyperbolic cotangent.
 
I'm pretty sure it is the same thing,

<br /> \coth[x]=\frac{\exp[x]+\exp[-x]}{\exp[x]-\exp[-x]}<br />

and when you use the proper energy (the OP forgot a factor \hbar\omega in his equation)

<br /> E=\frac{1}{2}\hbar\omega+\frac{\hbar\omega\exp[-\hbar\omega\beta]}{1-\exp[-\hbar\omega\beta]}=\frac{1}{2}\hbar\omega\left(\frac{1+\exp[-\hbar\omega\beta]}{1-\exp[-\hbar\omega\beta]}\right)<br />

which is the same thing as the hyperbolic cotangent.
 
Okay, I double checked my work. My mistake!

Obi-wan, I hope that helps!
 
thank you for all your help. I've worked out the temperature to be ~ 0.6208ΘE which sounds reasonable
 

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