Quantum Mecanics unifing with General Relativity in 5D

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the unification of quantum mechanics (QM) and general relativity (GR) in a five-dimensional (5D) framework, as presented in a research article by Paul S. Wesson. Participants explore the complexities of understanding the theoretical concepts and mathematical formulations involved, particularly focusing on the implications of the 4D Klein-Gordon equation and the notion of particles moving forward and backward in time.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • Adam G. expresses difficulty in understanding the abstract of Wesson's article, particularly the relationship between the 5D geodesic equation and the 4D Klein-Gordon equation.
  • Adam G. questions how particles can move forward and backward in time, indicating a lack of clarity on this concept.
  • Zz emphasizes the importance of proper citation for academic references and notes that the article is behind a paywall, limiting access to the full content.
  • Another participant suggests that Adam G. may want to consider simpler topics for his research, highlighting the extensive background knowledge required to engage with unification theories in physics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally acknowledge the complexity of the topic and the challenges faced by Adam G. in understanding the material. There is no consensus on the specific concepts discussed, and multiple views regarding the appropriateness of the chosen research topic remain evident.

Contextual Notes

Adam G. is in his third semester of introductory physics, which may limit his ability to fully grasp the advanced concepts presented in the article. The discussion reflects a range of assumptions about the necessary background knowledge in both physics and mathematics to engage with the unification theory.

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Hello,
I didn't know where to post this since it deals with both topics, but I thought here would be the best choice.

So I have a research paper I have to do in Physics this semster and its about me researching somebodys research they're currently doing or just finshed. So I've been looking around and found an article in Science Direct (I'll post the link at the end) that deals with unifing QM and GR in the fifth dimension. The only problem is this is only my 3 semestor of introductory physics and this stuff is really complicated.

With that being said however I just have to discuss the research they're doing/did and not really show all the calculations they did. So I know it will be a great challenge to even understand what's going on, but I think I could handle it.

The abstarct for Paul S. Wesson's article is:
"In 5D, I take the metric in canonical form and define causality by null-paths. Then spacetime is modulated by a factor equivalent to the wave function, and the 5D geodesic equation gives the 4D Klein–Gordon equation. These results effectively show how general relativity and quantum mechanics may be unified in 5D."

And I've been trying to pick apart this and when I got to the 4-D Klein-Gordon equation it got tricky. I roughy understand the concept of how its a relativistic version of the Schrödinger equation, and it's the equation of motion for a fields spinless quanta. However what gets me is how the particle can go forward and backward in time? I just can't seem to wrap my head around that concept.

So if anyone could help me with that or any part of the article I greatly appericate it.

-Adam G.
 
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You left the link out.
 
aglo6509 said:
Hello,
I didn't know where to post this since it deals with both topics, but I thought here would be the best choice.

So I have a research paper I have to do in Physics this semster and its about me researching somebodys research they're currently doing or just finshed. So I've been looking around and found an article in Science Direct (I'll post the link at the end) that deals with unifing QM and GR in the fifth dimension. The only problem is this is only my 3 semestor of introductory physics and this stuff is really complicated.

With that being said however I just have to discuss the research they're doing/did and not really show all the calculations they did. So I know it will be a great challenge to even understand what's going on, but I think I could handle it.

The abstarct for Paul S. Wesson's article is:
"In 5D, I take the metric in canonical form and define causality by null-paths. Then spacetime is modulated by a factor equivalent to the wave function, and the 5D geodesic equation gives the 4D Klein–Gordon equation. These results effectively show how general relativity and quantum mechanics may be unified in 5D."

And I've been trying to pick apart this and when I got to the 4-D Klein-Gordon equation it got tricky. I roughy understand the concept of how its a relativistic version of the Schrödinger equation, and it's the equation of motion for a fields spinless quanta. However what gets me is how the particle can go forward and backward in time? I just can't seem to wrap my head around that concept.

So if anyone could help me with that or any part of the article I greatly appericate it.

-Adam G.

Please note that a proper way of doing a reference citation is:

Author/s, Journal Name, Volume, Page Number, Year.

This is the full set of info that allows anyone who have access to such journal to find the paper.

Zz.
 
Could of sworn I posted the link, well its here: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0370269311005557

Sorry guys.
 
The link gives the abstract only. To get the article, you have to buy it. Personal note - as a mathematician, the physics is over my head.
 
aglo6509 said:
The only problem is this is only my 3 semestor of introductory physics and this stuff is really complicated.

That is *very* true, are there no simpler topics you'd prefer to research? It would take more than a semester to catch you up on all the physics you should know properly in order to read a paper on a unification theory (not to mention the math you need to have).
 

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