Quantum statistics expectation value

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The discussion revolves around calculating the expectation value of a function related to a Gaussian distribution, specifically the function f(x) = e^(-0.5(x-mu)^2(sigma^-2)). Participants are exploring the mathematical concepts involved in this statistics problem, which is relevant to quantum mechanics.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the integral form of the expectation value and the specifics of integrating Gaussian functions. Questions arise regarding the substitution methods and the interpretation of the functions involved, particularly g(X) and f(x).

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The conversation has progressed through various attempts to clarify the integration process and the roles of different functions. Some participants have offered guidance on substitution methods and integral properties, while others express uncertainty about specific mathematical concepts, such as the gamma function.

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There is an acknowledgment of varying levels of familiarity with the underlying mathematics, particularly in relation to Gaussian integrals and multivariable calculus. Participants are working within the constraints of their current coursework and understanding.

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1. What is the expectation value, <x>, for the
given distribution over the interval from – to + infinity of the function: f(x)=e^(-.5(x-mu)^2(sigma^-2))




2. This is a statistics problem i think. I just need to know how this type of problem is worked out because it is relevant to my quantum class.



3. I have absolutely no idea where to begin.
 
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The expectation value of a function of a random variable X is given by
[tex]E[g(X)] = \int_{-\infty}^\infty g(x) f(x)\,dx[/tex]
Do you know how to integrate a Gaussian?
 
Not exactly. My professor ran very very quickly through the gaussian integral once before but I don't quite have the math background to have taken it in (in multivariable calculus currently).
 
Okay so the Gaussian integral is just the integral from -to+infinity of e^(-x^2). I see what they did through to get the answer. Where does the Gaussian fit into that other integral you listed?
Thanks for the help. I was pretty clueless when this was presented in class because I haven't seen this math before so I apologize for how slow I am.
 
Tell us what integral you need to calculate to find <x>.
 
So do I just take this
[tex]E[g(X)] = \int_{-\infty}^\infty g(x) f(x)\,dx[/tex]
and use the function, [tex]f(x) = e^{(-(x-μ)^2/2σ^2)}[/tex] as f(x) and would g(x) be the Gaussian function? Not really sure what g(x) is unless that guess is correct.
 
g(X) is what you're finding the expectation value of. In this case, g(X)=X.
 
Oh! That makes a lot more sense.
[tex]E[x] = \int_{-\infty}^\infty xe^{(-(x-μ)^2/2σ^2)}\,dx[/tex]
is the integral I'm left with. I see it's similar to the an example on the gaussian integral wiki page where [tex]\int_{-\infty}^\infty x^{2n}e^{-ax^2}\,dx[/tex]
So I figured I'd go off and see if I could solve it with just some sort of u substitution but the closest I can bring the integral i have to that is [tex]e^{-μ^2}\int_{-\infty}^\infty xe^{-x^2/2σ^2}e^{xμ/σ^2}\,dx[/tex] So I doubt it's that easy and probably requires some sort of harder method. How should I go about this?
 
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Try the substitution u = x-mu.
 
  • #11
okay so to double check so far:
[tex]E[x] = \int_{-\infty}^\infty xe^{(-(x-μ)^2/2σ^2)}\,dx[/tex]
[tex]u=x-μ[/tex][tex]du=dx[/tex]
[tex]E[x] = \int_{-\infty}^\infty ue^{(-u^2/2σ^2)}\,du + μ\int_{-\infty}^\infty e^{(-u^2/2σ^2)}\,du[/tex]
These look like 2 of the examples on wikipedia but if I just solve them I get something like
[tex]σ^5(2π)^{1/2} + μσ(2)^{1/2}(-1/2)![/tex]
is that right? a concern i have is that I never had to substitute x-μ=u back in
 
  • #12
You should find the first integral is 0. You can integrate it using a substitution or simply note that the integrand is an odd function.

What's (-1/2)! equal to?
 
  • #13
Okay I see that. I don't understand the gamma function but I take it from wikipedia that (-1/2)! is equal to Γ(1/2)
So I guess it comes down to Γ(1/2)μσ(2)^(1/2) which is
[tex]μσ(2)^{1/2}\int_{0}^\infty t^{-1/2}e^{-t}\,dt[/tex]
I also don't know where to go about this integral, by parts I get left with something minus the gamma function of -.5 which doesn't seem to go anywhere.
 
  • #14
Look at the very first integral on that Wiki page I linked to earlier.
 
  • #15
Thanks for the help! I finished and got through it in time for class. Doubled checked with a peer.
 

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