Quasi-linear hyperbolic PDE help

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The discussion revolves around a quasi-linear hyperbolic partial differential equation (PDE) of the form uu_{xy}-u_xu_y=0. Participants are exploring approaches to understand and solve this equation, referencing a textbook that lacks specific examples of this type.

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  • Participants discuss the use of characteristic coordinates and canonical forms, while some express confusion about the implications of certain mathematical transformations. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of logarithmic derivatives and the nature of partial derivatives in the context of the problem.

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The conversation includes attempts to clarify mathematical relationships and transformations, with some participants providing insights into calculus principles. There is a recognition of different interpretations and ongoing exploration of the problem without a clear consensus on the solution.

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Some participants mention constraints related to their current understanding and the chapter of the textbook they are studying, indicating a potential gap in foundational knowledge necessary for tackling the problem effectively.

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I am using the book Elementary Partial Differential Equations by Berg and McGregor.

However, the book neglected to discuss problems of the this form, uu_{xy}-u_xu_y=0.

How do I approach this problem?

Thanks.
 
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This is a quasi-linear hyperbolic PDE if that's any help. Use characteristic co-ordinates to put it in canonical form
 


Unfortunately, that doesn't help since I am only in Chapter 1 section 2.
 


There is a trick:
<br /> u\partial_{x}\partial_{y}u=\partial_{x}u\partial_{y}u\Rightarrow\frac{\partial_{x}\partial_{y}u}{\partial_{x}u}=\frac{\partial_{y}u}{u}<br />
We notice that this is the same as:
<br /> \frac{\partial}{\partial y}\left(\ln (\partial_{x}u\right) =\frac{\partial}{\partial y}\ln u<br />
From here it is easy to continue.
 


Thanks.

I understand the left side.

But I am having trouble seeing that

<br /> <br /> \frac{\partial}{\partial y}\left(\ln (\partial_{x}u\right) <br />

How is that the ln?

Thanks.
 


If you understand one side then you understand the other, you know from basic calculus that:
<br /> \frac{f&#039;(x)}{x}=(\ln f(x))&#039;<br />
So for the LHS f(x)=\partial_{x}u and the RHS f(x)=u. See now?
 


Yes, but isn't the partial derivative of \frac{\partial}{\partial x}\Rightarrow \frac{\partial ^2}{\partial x^2}?

Which would lead to \frac{u_y u_{xx}}{u_x}
 


Your differentiating w.r.t. y
 


Then shouldn't the derivative of a function of x be zero w.r.t y?
 
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u=u(x,y)
 
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Ok, I am going to think about this for a moment. Thanks for your help.
 
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Consider:
<br /> \frac{\partial_{x}\partial_{y}u(x,y)}{\partial_{x}u(x,y)}=\frac{\partial_{y}\partial_{x}u(x,y)}{\partial_{x}u(x,y)}=\partial_{y}\ln (\partial_{x}u(x,y))<br />
Does this make more sense?
 
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hunt_mat said:
If you understand one side then you understand the other, you know from basic calculus that:
<br /> \frac{f&#039;(x)}{x}=(\ln f(x))&#039;<br />
So for the LHS f(x)=\partial_{x}u and the RHS f(x)=u. See now?
As far as I can see,
<br /> \frac{f&#039;(x)}{f(x)} = (\ln f(x))&#039;<br />

I assume that was what you meant.
 
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yes, it was. Cheers.
 
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\int \frac{u_{xy}}{u_x}dy Should this dy be this \partial y\mbox{?}

\int \frac{u_{xy}}{u_x}dy=\int\frac{u_y}{u}dy\Rightarrow ln(u_x)=ln(u)+f(x)

Every time I integrate from here, I don't obtain the solution u(x,y)=f(x)g(y)

Should I exponentiate or move everything to left side?
 
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Solved, Thanks.
 
  • #17


You should get a solution in the form:
<br /> u(x,y)=e^{A(x)}e^{B(y)}<br />
Where A(x) and B(y) are arbitraty function obtained via integration.
 

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