Time Invariance of f_n for Quasi-Linear PDE Boundary Conditions

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The discussion revolves around the time invariance of the function \( f_n(t) = \int_0^1 y^n\,\mathrm{d}x \) derived from a solution \( y(x, t) \) to a quasi-linear partial differential equation (PDE) with specified boundary conditions. Participants are exploring the implications of differentiating under the integral sign and the behavior of \( f_n \) over time.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the differentiation of \( f_n(t) \) and question the validity of certain terms in the resulting expressions. There is an exploration of integration by parts and the implications of boundary conditions on the integral. Some participants express confusion regarding the transition from one form of the integral to another and the significance of terms lost during differentiation.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants raising questions about the derivations and attempting to clarify the relationships between the terms involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the structure of the equations, but there is no explicit consensus on the final form of the differential equation for \( f_n \).

Contextual Notes

Participants are working within the constraints of the problem as posed, specifically the boundary conditions and the nature of the quasi-linear PDE. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in deriving the correct form of \( f_n \) and its time dependence.

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Homework Statement


let y(x, t) be a solution to the quasi-linear PDE
\frac{\partial y}{\partial t} + y\frac{\partial y}{\partial x} = 0
with the boundary condition
y(0, t) = y(1, t) = 0
show that
f_n(t) = \int_0^1 y^n\,\mathrm{d}x
is time invariant for all n = 1, 2, 3,...

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The Attempt at a Solution


By differentiation under the integral sign i obtain
\frac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d}t}f_n(t) = \int_0^1ny^{n-1}\frac{\partial y}{\partial t}\,\mathrm{d}x \\<br /> = -n\int_0^1y^n\frac{\partial y}{\partial x}\,\mathrm{d}x \\<br /> = -n\underbrace{[y^{n+1}]_0^1}_{=0} + n^2\int_0^1y^n\frac{\partial y}{\partial x}\,\mathrm{d}x
where the last equality in valid by integration by parts.

My goal was to obtain a differential equation for f_n.
 
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Hi, I don't understand why at the end it is ## n^2\int_{0}^{1}y^n\frac{\partial y}{\partial x} dx## instead of ##n^2\int_{0}^{1}y^n dx=n^2f_{n}##
 
Ssnow said:
Hi, I don't understand why at the end it is ## n^2\int_{0}^{1}y^n\frac{\partial y}{\partial x} dx## instead of ##n^2\int_{0}^{1}y^n dx=n^2f_{n}##
Because,
\int_0^1 y^n\frac{\partial y}{\partial x}\mathrm{d}x = [y^{n+1}]_0^1 - \int_0^1 ny^{n-1}\frac{\partial y}{\partial x}\,y\,\mathrm{d}x
as
\int fg^\prime = fg - \int f^\prime g
 
ok sorry I lost a term deriving... yes it is no easy to find the form ##f_{n}## for a possible equation. The fact is that ##f_{n}## depends only by the time and also the quantity ##F=\int_{0}^{1}y^{n}(x,t)\frac{\partial y(x,t)}{\partial x}dx ## is a function only of the time, so you equation will be

## \frac{df_{n}}{dt}=n^2F(t)##
 
Hi, but if you can think ##y^n\frac{\partial y}{\partial x}=\frac{1}{n+1}\frac{\partial y^{n+1}}{\partial x}## you have that the integral will be:

##\frac{n^2}{n+1}[y(1,t)^{n+1}-y(0,t)^{n+1}]=0##

so your equation is ##\frac{d f_{n}}{dt}=0##
 

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