Query regarding steady state error in a velocity control system

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The discussion revolves around the computation of steady state error in a velocity control system as presented in BC Kuo's "Automatic Control Systems." Participants are examining the mathematical derivation and interpretation of steady state error in the context of a specific control system with given transfer functions.

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  • One participant presents a problem from a textbook involving a velocity control system and questions the computation of steady state error.
  • The participant notes the feed-forward transfer function and feedback transfer function, and describes the closed loop transfer function derived from them.
  • There is confusion about how the steady state error is computed, particularly regarding the reference signal and the limit process used to determine steady state error.
  • Another participant confirms the tachometer constant and clarifies that the output is in angle measure, suggesting a potential misunderstanding in the original participant's interpretation.
  • A later contribution discusses the definition of steady state in terms of the derivative of the function approaching zero as time approaches infinity, introducing a mathematical perspective on steady state error computation.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the computation of steady state error, with some clarifications provided but no consensus reached on the correct interpretation or method of calculation.

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Participants are grappling with the definitions and mathematical limits involved in determining steady state error, indicating potential missing assumptions or unresolved mathematical steps in the discussion.

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I was reading BC Kuo's Automatic Control Systems where I came across a solved problem (page 369 of 7th edition) regarding velocity control. I have a problem understanding how the steady state error has been computed. The original problem and its solution as given in the book are quoted below.

Let the feed-forward transfer function be

G(s) = \frac{1}{s^2(s+12)}

and the feedback transfer function be

H(s) = K_{t}s

where K_{t}[/tex] is the tachometer constant.<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Let K_{t} = 10 V/rad-sec. This means that for a unit step of 1 V, the desired velocity in the steady state is 1/10 or 0.1 rad/sec, since when this is achieved, the output voltage of the tachometer would be 1 V and the steady state error would be zero. The closed loop transfer function of the system is<br /> <br /> M(s) = \frac{Y(s)}{R(s)} = \frac{G(s)}{1+G(s)H(s)} = \frac{1}{s(s^2+12s+10)}<br /> <br /> For a unit step input R(s) = 1/s. The output time response is<br /> <br /> y(t) = 0.1t - 0.12 - 0.000796e^{-11.1t} + 0.1208e^{-0.901t}<br /> <br /> for t \geq 0<br /> <br /> Since the exponential terms of y(t) all diminish as t \rightarrow \infty, the steady state part of y(t) is 0.1t-12. Thus the steady state error of the system is<br /> <br /> e_{ss} = \lim_{t\rightarrow \infty}\left[0.1t - y(t)\right] = 0.12 </div> </div> </blockquote><br /> I am not clear about how the steady state error has been computed here. I understand that the dominating terms as t\rightarrow \infty are the linear term and the constant term, but how does the limit of the (0.1t -y(t)) term represent steady state error? How is the reference signal equal to 0.1t?<br /> <br /> Thanks in advance.
 
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maverick280857 said:
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I haven't been able to figure this out yet, so I would be really grateful if someone could look into it for me and tell me what the mistake in my understanding/interpretation is?
 
Got it...thanks to varunag :-)

It should be 10V/rad/sec. The output is the angle measure.
 
For the later occurrences, steady state means change of the function goes to zero when t goes to infinity right? That means if I take the derivative of the function it should go to zero since there is a steady state(existence must be checked of course!) then derivative means multiplying with s right?

\lim_{t\to \infty} f(t)\star u(t) = \lim_{s\to 0}sf(s)u(s)\

If the limit exists it will give you the SS error.
 

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