Question about changing line element.

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The discussion revolves around transforming a line element in a new coordinate system defined by the functions x = uv and y = (u^2 - v^2) / 2. The original poster is exploring the algebraic approach to derive the line element in Cartesian coordinates and is also interested in finding the equation of the unit circle in this new coordinate system.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive the line element by taking implicit derivatives of x and y, leading to questions about handling mixed components in the squared terms. They also inquire about substituting into the Cartesian equation of a circle to find its equivalent in the new coordinates.

Discussion Status

Some participants provide feedback on the original poster's calculations, noting a missing factor in the derivative of dy and confirming that the substitution method for the circle equation is valid. There appears to be a productive exchange regarding the necessary corrections and confirmations of the approach.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes a focus on algebraic manipulation and the implications of coordinate transformations, with participants addressing specific mathematical details and assumptions related to the derivatives and substitutions involved.

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Say we have a function such that
x = uv , y = (u^2 - v^2) /2
Hence our line element in Cartesian coordinates is.
ds^2 = dx^2 + dy^2

Now I have two questions. I like to work on math problems algebraically if possible so I thought to convert our line element I could take the implicit derivative of both x and y.

Hence we have

dx = (du*v) + (u*dv), dy = (2u du - 2v dv)
However if i were to square these terms out I would then have some mixed components such as 4vu du dv

I tested this technique with polar coordinates and using x = r \cos \theta, y = r \sin\theta and I managed to come out to the proper line element.

Can someone please point me in the right direction as to what I need to do to get the proper line element?

Also I had one more question. If i wanted to find the equation of the unit circle centered at the origin in our new coordinate system can I just take the cartesian equation x^2 + y^2 = 1 , plug in our substitutions, and then solve?
 
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You forgot the factor of 1/2 when you calculated dy.
 
thats true I forgot to write that down when I was making the post.. so this is the correct way to set up the line element?
 
Yup, and you should find with the correction the cross-term vanishes.

And to answer your other question, yes, you can just substitute for x and y into the equation for a circle and get the equivalent equation in terms of u and v. It works the way you think it should.
 

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