Question about conservation of angular momentum for charges

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The discussion revolves around the conservation of angular momentum for a charge in an electric field, exploring the relationship between distance, velocity, and angular momentum in the context of electrostatics and comparing it to gravitational fields. The scope includes theoretical considerations and conceptual clarifications.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question why angular momentum is conserved for a charge in an electric field.
  • Others argue that angular momentum conservation is linked to the absence of external torque acting on the system.
  • One participant suggests that the velocity of a charge in an electric field may not be inversely proportional to the distance from another charge, emphasizing that force and acceleration follow the inverse square law.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about how the relationship between distance and velocity justifies angular momentum conservation, drawing parallels to gravitational fields.
  • It is noted that if a charge has no initial velocity, it will have zero angular momentum, and the electrostatic force being radial implies no torque and thus no change in angular momentum.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and agreement regarding the conservation of angular momentum in electric fields, with some questioning the underlying principles and others providing explanations. No consensus is reached on the relationship between distance, velocity, and angular momentum.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the initial conditions of the charges and the specific configurations of their motion. The discussion also reflects differing interpretations of how electrostatic forces compare to gravitational forces in terms of angular momentum.

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Why is angular momentum conserved for a charge in an electric field?
 
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Why wouldn't it be?
 
Is the velocity of a charge q moving in an electric field generated by Q inversely proportional to the distance r from q to Q? And if so, why?
 
maeila said:
Is the velocity of a charge q moving in an electric field generated by Q inversely proportional to the distance r from q to Q? And if so, why?

No. Force and hence acceleration are governed by the inverse square law. Not velocity.
 
Then how is the quantity L=qvr sin(a) conserved?
 
What is the trajectory of you particle?
 
maeila said:
Why is angular momentum conserved for a charge in an electric field?
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Angular momentum (rarely, moment of momentum or rotational) is the rotational equivalent of linear momentum. It is an important quantity in physics because it is intrinsically conserving quantity --the total angular momentum of a system remains constant unless acted on by an external force torque.
 
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I don't know, I just can't see how the relation between distance and velocity could justify that.
It made sense in the gravitational field, since when a satellite gets closer it also gets faster. Now, if I have a stationary positive charge and a smaller positive charge in its field, the first charge will accelerate the other to repel it, so with the increasing distance of the second charge there's also an increase in velocity.
 
maeila said:
I don't know, I just can't see how the relation between distance and velocity could justify that.
It made sense in the gravitational field, since when a satellite gets closer it also gets faster. Now, if I have a stationary positive charge and a smaller positive charge in its field, the first charge will accelerate the other to repel it, so with the increasing distance of the second charge there's also an increase in velocity.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angular_momentumIf You haven't read this article, you could read the pertinent areas of this Wiki Art angular "Conservation of Angular momentum" - - "angular momentum in Orbital mechanics" and '--- "The Law of Areas"
 
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maeila said:
I don't know, I just can't see how the relation between distance and velocity could justify that.
It made sense in the gravitational field, since when a satellite gets closer it also gets faster. Now, if I have a stationary positive charge and a smaller positive charge in its field, the first charge will accelerate the other to repel it, so with the increasing distance of the second charge there's also an increase in velocity.
Well, if the small charge has no initial velocity it will move along a radial direction and the angular momentum will be zero in any position. The angle alpha in your formula is zero. If it has some non-radial component it will have some angular momentum (in respect to the fixed charge). But the electrostatic force is always radial so there will be no torque applied (again, relative to the origin attached to the fixed charge) and no change in the angular momentum.
 

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