Question about decreasing sequence and finding its limit

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In summary, the conversation discusses a problem where the sequence $(x_n)$ is defined by a recursive formula and the goal is to show that it is decreasing and bounded below by $\sqrt{a}$, and to find its limit. The participants discuss different approaches, such as taking the ratio $x_{n+1}/x_n$ and considering different cases for the initial term $x_1$. Ultimately, it is concluded that the sequence converges to its infimum if it is bounded below and decreasing.
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Hey! :)
I have a question.
It is given that $a>0 , x_{1}=x>0 \text{ and } x_{n+1}=\frac{1}{2}(x_{n}+\frac{a}{x_{n}})$ and I have to show that the sequence $(x_{n})$,at least from its second term,is decreasing and bounded from below from $\sqrt{a}$.Also,I have to find the limit $\lim_{n \to \infty}x_{n}$.

To show that the sequence is decreasing,I thought that I could take $\frac{x_{n+1}}{x_{n}}$ and show that it is smaller that $1$.I found that $\frac{x_{n+1}}{x_{n}}=\frac{1}{2}(1+\frac{a}{x_{n}^{2}})=\frac{1}{2}+\frac{a}{2x_{n}^{2}}$.
But do we know that it is $\frac{1}{2}+\frac{a}{2x_{n}^{2}}<1 \Rightarrow x_{n}>\sqrt{a}$ ?
 
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If the sequence is bounded below and decreasing, then the limit exists. So, assuming you've shown these two, in order to find the limit, just take the limit of both sides of the equation:
$$\lim_{n\to \infty}x_{n+1}= \lim_{n \to \infty} \frac12 \left(x_{n}+ \frac{a}{x_{n}} \right),$$
or if $\lim_{x\to \infty}x_{n}=L$, then
$$L= \frac12 (L+a/L).$$
Now just solve for $L$.
 
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Ackbach said:
If the sequence is bounded below and decreasing, then the limit exists. So, assuming you've shown these two, in order to find the limit, just take the limit of both sides of the equation:
$$\lim_{n\to \infty}x_{n+1}= \lim_{n \to \infty} \frac12 \left(x_{n}+ \frac{a}{x_{n}} \right),$$
or if $\lim_{x\to \infty}x_{n}=L$, then
$$L= \frac12 (L+a/L).$$
Now just solve for $L$.

I understand..Could I also say that because of the fact that the sequence is bounded below and decreasing,it converges to its inf??

Also,how can I show that it is decreasing? Can I use $\frac{x_{n+1}}{x_{n}} $ or do I have to do something else?
 
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evinda said:
I understand..Could I also say that because of the fact that the sequence is bounded below and decreasing,it converges to its inf??

Yes, any monotonically decreasing sequence that is bounded below has to converge.

Also,how can I show that it is decreasing? Can I use $\frac{x_{n+1}}{x_{n}} $ or do I have to do something else?

You could try to show that $x_{n+1}/x_{n}$ is less than $1$. That might work. What do you get when you try that?
 
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Ackbach said:
Yes, any monotonically decreasing sequence that is bounded below has to converge.
But we know that then the sequence converges to its infimum,or am I wrong? :confused:

Ackbach said:
You could try to show that $x_{n+1}/x_{n}$ is less than $1$. That might work. What do you get when you try that?

I found this: $\frac{1}{2}+\frac{a}{2x_{n}^{2}}$ ...But..Do we know that this is less than $1$ ?
 
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evinda said:
But we know that then the sequence converges to its infimum,or am I wrong? :confused:

Well, it depends on $x_{1}$. You probably could say that the sequence converges to its $ \lim \inf$.

I found this: $\frac{1}{2}+\frac{a}{2x_{n}^{2}}$ ...But..Do we know that this is less than $1$ ?

I think you'll have to take three cases: $x_{1}< \sqrt{a}$, $x_{1}= \sqrt{a}$, and $x_{1}> \sqrt{a}$. The middle case is fairly straight-forward: the sequence converges to $\sqrt{a}$ immediately, and never changes. Also, the case $x_{1}> \sqrt{a}$ is straight-forward: the sequence is monotonically decreasing. It's that pesky $x_{1}< \sqrt{a}$ case that's troubling... What do you make of it?
 
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By induction. Let $n\ge1$. We have $\displaystyle{{x}_{2}}-\sqrt{a}=\frac{1}{2}\left( \frac{a}{{{x}_{1}}}+{{x}_{1}} \right)-\sqrt{a}=\frac{1}{2}\cdot \frac{{{({{x}_{1}}-\sqrt{a})}^{2}}}{{{x}_{1}}}>0,$ so this shows that $x_2>\sqrt a$. Suppose now that $x_n>\sqrt a,$ so $x_n>0$ and in the same fashion we have $\displaystyle{{x}_{n+1}}-\sqrt{a}=\frac{1}{2}\left( \frac{a}{{{x}_{1}}}+{{x}_{1}} \right)-\sqrt{a}=\frac{1}{2}\cdot \frac{{{({{x}_{n}}-\sqrt{a})}^{2}}}{{{x}_{n}}}>0,$ implying that $x_{n+1}>\sqrt a,$ so $x_n>\sqrt a$ for all $n\ge1.$ Let's now show that $x_{n+1}>x_n$ for all $n\ge1$. Since $0<\sqrt a<x_2$ we have $\displaystyle\frac{a}{{{x}_{2}}}-{{x}_{2}}=\frac{a-x_{2}^{2}}{{{x}_{2}}}<0\implies \frac{a}{{{x}_{2}}}+{{x}_{2}}<2{{x}_{2}}\implies {{x}_{3}}<{{x}_{2}}.$ In the same fashion for $0<\sqrt a<x_{n+1}$ we get $\displaystyle\frac{a}{{{x}_{n+1}}}-{{x}_{n+1}}=\frac{a-x_{n+1}^{2}}{{{x}_{n+1}}}<0\implies \frac{a}{{{x}_{n+1}}}+{{x}_{n+1}}<2{{x}_{n+1}},$ so ${{x}_{n+2}}<{{x}_{n+1}}.$

Finally $x_n>\sqrt a$ and $x_{n+1}<x_n,$ hence $x_n$ is a decreasing bounded below sequence, so it has a limit.
 
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evinda said:
But we know that then the sequence converges to its infimum,or am I wrong? :confused:

Yes. A decreasing bounded below sequence converges to its infimum.
 

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