Question about double shear pin connections

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The discussion revolves around the mechanics of double shear pin connections, specifically focusing on the calculation of shear forces at pin A in relation to reaction forces. Participants explore the relationship between axial and vertical components of forces and how they contribute to shear stress in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the magnitude of the horizontal reaction force should not be used directly to calculate shear forces, suggesting that it should be projected along the shear plane.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the shear experienced by the pin is the resultant of both axial and vertical components, arguing that component forces are merely mathematical conveniences.
  • A later reply highlights that the resultant force at pin A can be calculated using vector components, illustrating that the same magnitude of force applies to both pin A and pin C.
  • Some participants express confusion about the solutions manual's approach, questioning the rationale behind using the magnitudes of the vertical and horizontal reactions instead of the projected forces along the shear plane.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate method for calculating shear forces, with some advocating for the use of resultant forces while others remain uncertain about the reasoning behind the solutions manual's approach. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method to apply in this scenario.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential misunderstandings of force projections and the application of shear stress concepts. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps involved in determining the shear forces.

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Homework Statement



Double Shear Pin Connection

Homework Equations



∑Fx = -2V + P = 0

The Attempt at a Solution



When calculating the shear force along the planes of the pin, where I have a reaction at Ax and Ay, why do I have to use the magnitude of the reaction force as opposed to the axial force that is acting colinear to the shear plane?

For example, if I have a horizontal reaction of 34.64 kN and a vertical reaction of 20 kN, why am I wrong for using 34.64 kN, instead of √34.642 + 202, to determine my shear forces?

Wouldn't the magnitude of the force have to be projected along the same shear plane thus returning me to my original horizontal reaction?
 
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I'm having a hard time visualizing what you are asking. Can you provide a sketch?
 
SteamKing said:
I'm having a hard time visualizing what you are asking. Can you provide a sketch?

Sure.

Pin A is the one I'm talking about.

For some reason the solutions manual uses the magnitude of the vertical and horizontal reaction but I can't see why since that would not be along the surface of the shear plane that I'm looking at.
 

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The shear experienced by the pin is the resultant of the axial and vertical components of the reaction at pin A. The pin can't distinguish a separate horizontal force and vertical force; component forces are mathematical conveniences used to solve problems.

Just like forces can be decomposed into different components, stresses can as well, by using techniques like the Mohr's circle:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohr's_circle

Once you have the basic stress components, you can use Mohr's circle to find the normal stress and the shear stress components for an arbitrary stress plane.
 
Bill Nye Tho said:
Sure.

Pin A is the one I'm talking about.

For some reason the solutions manual uses the magnitude of the vertical and horizontal reaction but I can't see why since that would not be along the surface of the shear plane that I'm looking at.
Well Bill, you seem to have no problem at all in correctly calculating the shear force and stress at the pin at C, using the 40 kN link force which is directed 30 degrees below the horizontal. Did you know that the 40 kN force can be resolved into its vector components as 40 sin 30 = 20 kN in the y direction and 40 cos 30 = 34.6 kN in the x direction? Which is precisely the same as the x and y force components at A. That is, the resultant of the force components at A is sq rt (34.64^2 + 20^2) = 40 kN directed 30 degrees above the horizontal. Same magnitude as at C. That is why you must use the 40 kN force when calculating shear forces on the pin at A. As SteamKing has pointed out, the pin doesn't much care about component shear forces, only resultant shear force.
 

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