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The discussion revolves around the holonomy of metric connections as presented in Nakahara's book on geometry, topology, and physics. Participants explore the implications of parallel transport on the holonomy group, particularly in Riemannian and Lorentzian manifolds, and the conditions under which the holonomy group is a subgroup of orthogonal groups.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants discuss the definition of the holonomy group as a subgroup of GL(m,R) and its relation to the preservation of the inner product under parallel transport.
  • There is a correction regarding the statement in Nakahara's book about the preservation of the inner product, with some participants noting that it should refer to the inner product of the same vector rather than two different vectors.
  • Some participants assert that if the connection is compatible with the metric, parallel translation preserves the metric, leading to the conclusion that parallel transport is an orthogonal transformation in Riemannian cases.
  • Others clarify that in Lorentzian cases, the holonomy group is a subgroup of SO(m-1,1) rather than O(m-1), and discuss the implications of the signature of the inner product.
  • One participant raises a question about the origin of the dimension (m-1) in the Lorentzian case, seeking further clarification.
  • A later reply explains that the dimension arises from the signature of the Lorentzian inner product, which is typically written as (m-1,1).

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Participants express differing interpretations of Nakahara's statements, particularly regarding the preservation of the inner product and the classification of the holonomy group in Lorentzian geometry. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views on these points.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the dependence on the definitions of the inner product and the assumptions regarding the manifold's orientation. There are unresolved aspects regarding the implications of the holonomy group's properties in different geometric contexts.

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I am trying to follow Nakahara's book about Holonomy.
if parallel transporting a vector around a loop induces a linear map (an element of holonomy group)
{P_c}:{T_p}M \to {T_p}M

the holonomy group should be a subgroup of
GL(m,R)

then the book said for a metric connection, the property
{g_p}({P_c}(X),{P_c}(Y)) = {g_p}(X,Y)
makes the holonomy group a subgroup of O(m) if the manifold is Riemannian; and a subgroup of O(m-1) if the manifold is Lorentzian.

The author must think this is very straightforward and didn't explain why. Can anybody help?
 
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I assume the book you're referring to is Nakahara's Geometry, Topology and Physics, 2e.
lichen1983312 said:
then the book said for a metric connection, the property
{g_p}({P_c}(X),{P_c}(Y)) = {g_p}(X,Y)
This isn't what the book says. Nakahara actually writes {g_p}({P_c}(X),{P_c}(X)) = {g_p}(X,X)

In any case, a linear transformation which preserves the inner product is the definition of an orthogonal transformation.

Also, Nakahara doesn't say that the holonomy group is a subgroup of O(m-1) in the Lorentzian case, he says it's a subgroup of SO(m-1,1).
 
If the connection is compatible with the metric, then parallel translation preserves the metric..

If the vector fields ##Y## and ##Z## are parallel along a curve with tangent vector ##X## then

##X⋅<Y,Z> = <∇_{X}Y,Z> + <Y,∇_{X}Z>## so the inner product of ##Y## with ##Z## is constant along the curve.

If the metric is Riemannian, that is: it is positive definite on each tangent space, then parallel translation is an orthogonal linear map. If the metric is not positive definite then parallel translation is an element of ##O(m-p,p)##. In the case of a Lorentz metric ##p=1##.

- If the manifold is not orientable then then a holonomy transformation may be orientation reversing.
 
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The Bill said:
I assume the book you're referring to is Nakahara's Geometry, Topology and Physics, 2e.

This isn't what the book says. Nakahara actually writes {g_p}({P_c}(X),{P_c}(X)) = {g_p}(X,X)

In any case, a linear transformation which preserves the inner product is the definition of an orthogonal transformation.

Also, Nakahara doesn't say that the holonomy group is a subgroup of O(m-1) in the Lorentzian case, he says it's a subgroup of SO(m-1,1).
Thanks for replying, this is very helpful, and I will try to keep the book close next when I am typing.
 
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lavinia said:
If the connection is compatible with the metric, then parallel translation preserves the metric..

If the vector fields ##Y## and ##Z## are parallel along a curve with tangent vector ##X## then

##X⋅<Y,Z> = <∇_{X}Y,Z> + <Y,∇_{X}Z>## so the inner product of ##Y## with ##Z## is constant along the curve.

If the metric is Riemannian, that is: it is positive definite on each tangent space, then parallel translation is an orthogonal linear map. If the metric is not positive definite then parallel translation is an element of ##O(m-p,p)##. In the case of a Lorentz metric ##p=1##.

- If the manifold is not orientable then then a holonomy transformation may be orientation reversing.
Now I seem to be able to understand the inner product preserving property make a orthogonal group, but can you explain where does the dimension (m-1) come from for Lorenzian case? Thanks
 
The m-1 comes from the fact that the inner product in the Lorentzian case is usually written with signature (m-1,1). That is, (-1,1,1,1) or (1,-1,-1,-1,-1) for 4d spacetime, for example. In the general case, this is the indefinite orthogonal group, and Nakahara is only considering the connected component which contains the identity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indefinite_orthogonal_group
 
The Bill said:
The m-1 comes from the fact that the inner product in the Lorentzian case is usually written with signature (m-1,1). That is, (-1,1,1,1) or (1,-1,-1,-1,-1) for 4d spacetime, for example. In the general case, this is the indefinite orthogonal group, and Nakahara is only considering the connected component which contains the identity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indefinite_orthogonal_group
Thanks very much, now I see the point.
 

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