Find the determinant of the metric on some graph

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the determinant of the metric associated with a smooth mapping from a domain in ##\mathbb{R}^2## to a manifold in ##\mathbb{R}^3##. Participants explore the implications of the metric on the manifold and the necessary transformations to compute the area using the determinant.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that the metric on ##\mathbb{R}^n## is represented by the Kronecker delta, leading to a formula for the metric tensor involving the derivatives of the coordinate transformation.
  • Another participant suggests that the coordinates ##\xi^\rho## are determined by the transformation law between Cartesian coordinates and the new coordinate system, seeking clarification on this point.
  • A question is raised about the specific nature of the metric being discussed, prompting further inquiry into the representation of ##\xi^a##.
  • A clarification is provided regarding the coordinates ##\xi^a##, identifying them as the coordinates of ##\mathbb{R}^3##, specifically relating them to the mapping function ##F(x,y)##.
  • One participant emphasizes the need for partial derivatives in the metric formula, indicating a refinement of the earlier claims about the metric tensor.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of the metric and the representation of the coordinates involved. There is no consensus on the specific details of the metric or the transformation process, indicating that multiple competing views remain.

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There are unresolved aspects regarding the definitions of the coordinates and the specific form of the metric tensor, as well as the assumptions underlying the transformation laws being discussed.

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Hello there,

Suppose $f$ smoothly maps a domain ##U## of ##\mathbb{R}^2## into ##\mathbb{R}^3## by the formula ##f(x,y) = (x,y,F(x,y))##. We know that ##M = f(U)## is a smooth manifold if ##U## is open in ##\mathbb{R}^2##. Now I want to find the determinant of the metric in order to compute the area of the manifold
$$
I = \int 1 |g|^{1/2} d^2x
$$
I guess that the metric on ##\mathbb{R}^n## is the Kronecker delta, so that
$$
g_{ij} = \frac{d\xi^a}{dx^i} \frac{d\xi^b}{dx^j} \delta_{ab}
$$
So if I can find ##\xi^a##, my task is easy. How do I determine ##\xi^a##. Any hints/help/solutions? Thanks
 
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Maybe I'm wrong, but I think your ##\xi^\rho## are given by the transformation law between the Cartesian and your new coordinate system. Maybe some mentor can correct me if I'm mistaken it.
 
Jonsson said:
I want to find the determinant of the metric

The metric of what?

Jonsson said:
if I can find ##\xi^a##,

What do ##\xi^a## represent?
 
Jonsson said:
I guess that the metric on ##\mathbb{R}^n## is the Kronecker delta, so that
$$
g_{ij} = \frac{d\xi^a}{dx^i} \frac{d\xi^b}{dx^j} \delta_{ab}
$$
So if I can find ##\xi^a##, my task is easy. How do I determine ##\xi^a##. Any hints/help/solutions? Thanks

This formula gives the "pullback" of the Euclidean metric on ##\mathbb{R}^3## (##\delta_{ab}## where ##a,b \in \{1,2,3\}##) to the metric on your embedded surface (##g_{ij}## where ##i,j \in \{1,2\}##). So the ##\xi^a## are just the coordinates of ##\mathbb{R}^3##, in this case

$$ \xi^1 = x, \qquad \xi^2 = y, \qquad \xi^3 = F(x,y). $$
Note that your formula ought to have partial derivatives:

$$ g_{ij} = \frac{\partial \xi^a}{\partial x^i} \frac{\partial \xi^b}{\partial x^j} \delta_{ab}. $$
 

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