Question about magnets and attraction

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of magnets, specifically the attraction of a smaller magnet placed near a larger magnet. Participants explore concepts related to magnetic forces, flux lines, and the nature of magnetization.

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  • One participant questions whether a small magnet placed at a considerable distance from a larger magnet would be attracted to the north or south pole, or if it would align differently.
  • Another participant challenges the notion of "considerable distance," suggesting that practical experimentation with bar magnets could provide insights.
  • A participant expresses difficulty in finding magnets and seeks to understand if attracted objects follow magnetic flux lines or move in a straight line towards the magnet.
  • One response clarifies that objects do not follow flux lines in the same manner as electric fields, noting that the magnetic force acts perpendicularly to the flux lines.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of understanding magnetization and its relationship to the magnetic field, suggesting that a deeper study of Maxwell's equations would be beneficial.

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Participants express varying degrees of uncertainty regarding the behavior of magnets and the nature of magnetic attraction. There is no consensus on the specific outcomes of the scenarios presented.

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Participants mention limitations in their ability to conduct experiments due to availability of materials, which may affect the depth of the discussion.

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This discussion may be of interest to those exploring basic magnetism, students studying physics concepts related to magnetization, and individuals curious about practical applications of magnetic forces.

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what would happen if a small magnet was exactly placed by the middle of another larger magnet in a direction parallel to it and at a considerable distance ? will it be pulled to the south pole or to the north pole ?
or will it be pulled down the middle such that the north pole of the smaller magnet is on the south part of the bigger magnet and vice versa ?
 
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what's a considerable distance ??
state something that is meaningful

how about trying it yourself? buy a couple of bar magnets and experiment with them
in the manner you have said and report back your findings :smile:

Dave
 
davenn said:
what's a considerable distance ??
state something that is meaningful

how about trying it yourself? buy a couple of bar magnets and experiment with them
in the manner you have said and report back your findings :smile:

Dave

i apologize if my post was not meaningful enough , also here its very hard to find any place that sells magnets * other than fridge magnets *
basically what i am trying to find out is whether attracted objects follow flux lines or not .
i know iron fillings or magnets get lined up by the flux lines of strong magnets .
but do attracted objects follow those flux lines ? or do they get attracted and move in a straight line ?
if they don't follow flux lines then what is the difference between objects aligning themselves to the magnet and objects being attracted by the magnet ?
 
Objects don't follow flux lines in the same way as the electric field, because the magnetic force is perpendicular to these lines, whereas the electric force is tangent to these lines.

The magnetic force is felt by currents, and the force is perpendicular to the current direction AND the flux lines.

The alignment of magnetised iron filings parallel to the magnetic flux lines is due to a slightly more involved interaction, rather than a simple current, the iron filings are all tiny magnetic dipoles. Essentially a magnetic dipole is a tiny current loop, so the interaction is fundamentally the same, and it turns out that this current loop experiences a force which tends to make each individual filing align with the field.

Think of each one as a compass needle. There are no obvious currents in this needle, but it is still magnetised, which means the microscopic magnetic dipoles (i.e. current loops) are all pointing in the same direction.
 
To really understand the physics, you need to study the definition of magnetisation, and its relation to the magnetic field. Ideally this would be learned after you learn Maxwell's microscopic equations, which means vector calculus.

Until then, all I can give are hand-wavey explanations based on current loops which I imagine are impossibly hard to conceptualise.
 

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