Question about the refrigeration cycle

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The discussion revolves around the refrigeration cycle, specifically focusing on the functioning of the evaporator and condenser in a refrigerator. Participants explore the thermodynamic principles involved, including the temperature changes of the refrigerant and the concept of efficiency.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how the refrigerant liquid can reach a temperature of around 30 degrees Celsius despite being cooled by air at only 7 degrees.
  • Another participant explains that the refrigerant cools as it expands through a throttling valve, which is a key aspect of the refrigeration cycle.
  • There is a mention of the Coefficient of Performance (COP) as a measure of efficiency, with some confusion about its definition and application.
  • A later reply clarifies that the refrigerant becomes warm before entering the condenser due to heat absorption in the evaporator and that the expansion process is crucial for cooling in the evaporator.
  • Participants discuss the Joule-Thompson coefficient, which relates to the temperature change during expansion and is influenced by initial conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express some agreement on the role of expansion in cooling the refrigerant, but there is a lack of consensus on the specifics of temperature changes and efficiency definitions, leading to some confusion and differing interpretations.

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There are unresolved aspects regarding the definitions of efficiency and the specific temperature changes during the refrigeration cycle, which depend on various assumptions about the refrigerant properties and system conditions.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in thermodynamics, refrigeration technology, or those seeking clarification on the principles of heat transfer and efficiency in refrigeration systems.

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A practical question about that cycle: I've just bought a new fridge and looked at the refrigeration cycle for the first time in 5 or so years. Now, i feel that the condenser at the back is quite warm (as it should be) and is being cooled by my room. All good and well.

But how does the evaporator work? I mean, i understand that the superheated gas turns into a liquid, but how does that liquid become as much as 30 or so degrees celsius so that it can be cooled by the environment later, despite (after a while) being heated by air of only 7 or so degrees?

Edit: Also, can anyone confirm if the efficiency is 1 - Tc/Th?
 
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I'm not clear on what you are asking. Are you asking how the refrigerant becomes cold after being warm? It expands through a throttling valve and when you expand a gas (or liquid into a gas), it cools. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refrigeration_cycle

Typically, efficiency is expressed as a COP, Qout/Qin.
 
russ_watters said:
I'm not clear on what you are asking. Are you asking how the refrigerant becomes cold after being warm? It expands through a throttling valve and when you expand a gas (or liquid into a gas), it cools. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refrigeration_cycle

Typically, efficiency is expressed as a COP, Qout/Qin.

Sorry if my question was unclear.

But you answered my question, thanks! As you say, the expansion is what explains why the refrigerant is so hot in the condenser. I should know this stuff because i had a thermodynamics class 5 years ago, but too much of it slipped my mind. :mad:

I remember the term COP... Coefficient Of ... P?
 
Well, the warmer air in the refrigerator being cooled by the refrigerant is what makes the refridgerant warm "in the condenser" (technically I'd consider it being warm before the condenser as when it enters the condenser it begins to cool and condense).

The expansion is what accounts for the majority of the cooling of the refrigerant. The Joule-Thompson coefficient is used to determine the temperature change with a pressure drop (expansion) and is dependent on initial temperature and pressure. The vast majority of gases at normal temps/pressures will cool when they expand.
 
LennoxLewis said:
But you answered my question, thanks! As you say, the expansion is what explains why the refrigerant is so hot in the condenser.
No, expansion is why it is cold in the evaporator. It is hot in the condenser because it goes through the evaporator, gaining heat, and then is compressed by the compressor.
I remember the term COP... Coefficient Of ... P?
Performance.
 

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