Question about the speed of light and relativity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of light, specifically its speed and the implications of relativity on the concept of time and existence. Participants explore whether light can be considered eternal due to its constant speed and the effects of time dilation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if light travels at the speed of light and time stops for it, then light could be considered eternal.
  • Others argue that if light does not experience time dilation, it would imply that photons could be perceived everywhere simultaneously.
  • A participant mentions that photons from the cosmic microwave background exist from the early universe, suggesting a form of persistence as long as they do not interact with matter.
  • Another viewpoint questions the concept of eternity in the context of relativity, suggesting that while time may be dilated, it does not imply a classical sense of eternal existence.
  • One participant expresses difficulty in accepting the idea of eternity and seeks clarification on whether a hypothetical conscious light would experience existence without aging.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of light's speed and time dilation, with no consensus reached on the concept of eternity as it relates to light.

Contextual Notes

Limitations in definitions of "eternity" and the nature of existence are noted, as well as the dependence on interpretations of time dilation and relativistic effects.

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If light always travels at the speed of light,

and at the speed of light, time stops --

does this mean that light is eternal?

In other words, if you were a particle of light, you would exist forever?
 
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Well, if light doesn't follow the rules of having to travel below the speed of light, then it's likely to say that they don't experience time dilation. If they did, we would literally see every photon everywhere at once.
 
Carnivroar said:
If light always travels at the speed of light,

and at the speed of light, time stops --

does this mean that light is eternal?

In other words, if you were a particle of light, you would exist forever?
Yes, as long as it didn't interact with anything. The cosmic microwave background consists of photons from the big bang (after about 300,000 years, when the universe cooled down enough so the photons would stop interacting). The long wavelength results from the expansion of the universe since then.
 
Carnivroar said:
If light always travels at the speed of light,

and at the speed of light, time stops --

does this mean that light is eternal?

In other words, if you were a particle of light, you would exist forever?

What do you mean by exist forever? Time dilation of relativity means time measurement is dilated i.e. what a man travels near the speed of light would be extremely long via the measurement of a resting man. But there's no point in eternal, eternal is quite like a classical sense. If you can live 90 years, whatever the speed you are travelling, you would live 90 years. Only in classical Newton's "time", there would be "eternality".
 
ZealScience said:
What do you mean by exist forever? Time dilation of relativity means time measurement is dilated i.e. what a man travels near the speed of light would be extremely long via the measurement of a resting man. But there's no point in eternal, eternal is quite like a classical sense. If you can live 90 years, whatever the speed you are travelling, you would live 90 years. Only in classical Newton's "time", there would be "eternality".

I see what you mean. I'm having trouble swallowing the idea of eternity myself.

Let me see if I can rephrase this. Suppose light had consciousness and it was moving at the speed of light (where time supposedly stops?), would it then experience existence forever as long as it's speed remained undisturbed? It would never "age"?

Anyways looks like I found a thread on precisely this, https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=235132, I'm going to read it now.
 
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