Question concerning the expected position of an object

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the expected position of an object located within a sphere of radius 5 meters from a point P=(x_0,y_0,z_0). Participants explore the implications of different probability distributions for the object's location within defined shells of distance from P, focusing on the conditions necessary to determine expected coordinates.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks if it is possible to find the expected coordinates of an object given probabilities for its location within concentric shells around a point.
  • Another participant suggests that a specific assumption about the probability distribution is necessary, proposing that if the distribution is spherically symmetric about (0,0,0), the expected coordinates would be (0,0,0).
  • A participant questions the nature of the assumption needed for the expected coordinates to be (0,0,0), asking for clarification on how the probabilities influence this outcome.
  • Further elaboration is provided on calculating the volume of each shell and setting a probability density function based on the shell volumes and probabilities.
  • It is reiterated that if the probability distributions are spherically symmetric, the expected value remains (0,0,0), drawing an analogy to symmetric distributions on a line.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the assumptions needed for the expected coordinates and whether the probabilities affect the outcome. There is no consensus on the specific conditions required for determining the expected position of the object.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the need for specific assumptions about the probability distribution within each shell, as well as the dependence on the symmetry of the distribution for determining expected coordinates.

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Suppose there's an object within a sphere of radius 5-metres from a given point P=(x_0,y_0,z_0). The probabilities of the object being within 0-1, 1-2, 2-3, 3-4 and 4-5 metres of P are given to be respectively p_1,p_2,p_3,p_4 and p_5. With this information, is it possible to find the expected position of the object,i.e, its expected coordinates?
 
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You would have to make a specific assumption about the probability distribution of the object within each of those "shells".
If you assume a distribution that is spherically symmetric about (0,0,0) in each shell, the expected coordinates of the object will be (0,0,0).
 
What kind of an assumption do I need? Could you give an example? Also, if P = (0,0,0), how do you get the expected coordinates of the object to be (0,0,0)? Doesn't it depend on the values of the probabilities of the object being within each shell?
 
Ryuzaki said:
What kind of an assumption do I need? Could you give an example?
Compute the volume v_i of each shell i = 1,2,3,4,5 and set the probability density function for the object within that shell to be p_i/v_i.

Also, if P = (0,0,0), how do you get the expected coordinates of the object to be (0,0,0)?

The expected value is (0,0,0) if the probability distributions are spherically symmetric. Think about a probability distribution on a line. If it is symmetric about x = 0 then the mean value of the distribution must be x = 0.
 

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