Question in small signal model for NMOS

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The discussion revolves around designing a common source NMOS circuit with source resistance, focusing on determining resistor values (R1 and R2) to achieve a specific small signal output gain, as well as understanding the behavior of the circuit under varying input conditions. The context includes theoretical and practical aspects of circuit design, particularly in relation to small signal models.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes values for R1 and R2 based on the desired gain, calculating R1 as 250 ohms and R2 as 50 ohms, while also deriving the drain current (ID) based on the equations provided.
  • Another participant suggests that the initial assumptions about the input voltage and its relationship to the MOSFET's cutoff may be incorrect, indicating that the device is not cut off at a certain input voltage (4.9V) and that a math error might have occurred in the calculations.
  • There are inquiries about alternative methods to determine R1 and R2 without relying solely on assumptions, highlighting the need for a systematic approach to resistor selection based on power levels and voltage gain.

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Participants express differing views on the assumptions made regarding the input voltage and its effect on the MOSFET operation. There is no consensus on the best method to determine resistor values, as some suggest assumptions while others seek more systematic approaches.

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The discussion includes limitations related to the assumptions made about the input voltage and the impact on the MOSFET's operational state. There are unresolved mathematical steps regarding the calculations of ID and the behavior of the circuit under varying input conditions.

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Students and practitioners interested in circuit design, particularly those working with MOSFETs and small signal models, may find this discussion relevant.

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Homework Statement


Design the following circuit, common source with source resistance, in fig. (1). It uses the MOSFET (irfp244) where Vt= 4.15V, KN = Kn(W/L)= 2.87 A/V2. Assume vin = +/- 100 mV, DC offset = 5 V, and the frequency = 1 K Hz.
a) Design R1 and R2 so that the small signal output gain, Av, is ~ 5. Assume 1/gm << R2.
b) What is the value of ID?
c) Plot Vout & Vin when vin = +/- 400 mV, +/- 700 mV, and +/- 1V separately.
d) Explain why the small signal gain collapses as the input is increased.

Homework Equations


Id = (1/2) KN (VGS - Vt)2
Id = Vsource / R2 , Id = (10-Vout) / R1 , Av = Vo/Vin = R1 /((1/gm)+R2)

The Attempt at a Solution


Now what I did I assumed that from Av = R1/R2 =5 that R1=250ohm and R2=50ohm I found from Id = (1/2) KN (VGS - Vt)2 & Id = Vsource / R2 that Vs = 0.96599V or Vs = 0.74794V the first Vs is not accepted because the N-MOSFET will be off (Vgs > Vt) and the second will be on ( VG-Vg swing - Vs > Vt) . and the value for Id will be 14.9588 mA . but the problem is changing the Vin ! because the mosfet will be cut off from (Vg - Vg swing - Vs < Vt) but the multisim still give me value for Vout and Vin for different Av , Can anyone tell me what i did wrong ?
 

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EDIT: Oops, you're OK for zero input volts (in addition to the 5V bias of course)!

Your equations are all good. The given input offset voltage is only 5V which isn't much above Vt for this device.

But, OK. If you go with R2 = 50 ohms then your Vs and i are correct. But, when Vin = 4.9V I got i = 0.013A with Vs = 0.013*50 = 0.65V. The device is not cut off at 4.9V input. I suggest you made a math boo-boo when putting Vin = +4.90V.

Of course, as you drop Vin below 4.9V it eventually will cut off.

P.S. You could have gone to smaller R2, then R1 still = 5R2 of course and the current levels could have been much higher, as intended by this power transistor.
 
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is there a way to find R1 and R2 other than assumption ?
 
mrxxdragonxx said:
is there a way to find R1 and R2 other than assumption ?

You choose R1 and R2 to give you the power level and voltage gain you want. Two requirements, two resistors to select.

Usually though one of them is given (like a heater load or whatever).
 

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