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The problem involves a system released from rest that moves a distance of 50 cm in 1.0 s, with the goal of determining the value of mass M in a frictionless environment. The original poster questions the use of different equations for acceleration, specifically comparing the kinematic equations for displacement and final velocity.

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  • The original poster attempts to understand why the acceleration calculated using the displacement equation differs from that calculated using the final velocity equation. Participants question the source of the final velocity value used by the original poster.

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Participants are exploring the definitions of average and final velocity, with some clarifying that the average velocity is not the same as the final velocity. There is an ongoing examination of the implications of these definitions on the calculations presented.

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There is a potential misunderstanding regarding the distinction between average velocity and final velocity, which may affect the interpretation of the problem. The original poster's calculations and assumptions about the equations used are under scrutiny.

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Homework Statement


The system shown is released from rest and moves 50 cm in 1.0 s. What is the value of M? All surfaces are frictionless.

X = 0.5 m
t = 1sec
m1 = 3kg
m2 = M

However, my question is about the acceleration. I'm just curious why I cannot use vf = v0 + at equation instead of x = x0 + v0t + 0.5at^2

Homework Equations


x = x0 + v0t + 0.5at^2
vf = v0 + at

The Attempt at a Solution



X = X0 + V0t + 0.5at^2
0.5m = 0 + 0 + 0.5a(1)^2
a=1m/s^2

M*g = (3kg + M)a
M(g-a) = 3a
M = 3a/(g-a) = 0.34kg

So I got M = 0.34kg. I know this is the answer but now my question is the acceleration.
I know I got 1m/s^2 from X = X0 + V0t + 0.5at^2 equation, but why can I not use Vf = V0 + at equation?
If I use Vf = V0 + at then I get a=0.5m/s^2 since vf = 0.5m/s and v0 = 0m/s and t=1.
Why do they have different acceleration?
 

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Where did you get Vf = 0.5 m/s from?

Chet
 
Chestermiller said:
Where did you get Vf = 0.5 m/s from?

Chet
Since it moved 0.5m in 1 sec, isn't it 0.5m/s??
 
gijungkim said:
Since it moved 0.5m in 1 sec, isn't it 0.5m/s??
That's the average velocity, not the final velocity. The velocity at time zero is 0 m/s and the final velocity at the end of 1 sec is 1m/s. So, what's the average of these two?

Chet
 
Chestermiller said:
That's the average velocity, not the final velocity. The velocity at time zero is 0 m/s and the final velocity at the end of 1 sec is 1m/s. So, what's the average of these two?

Chet
0.5! Thank you so much :)
 

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